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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Kai "the spy" said:
Yeah, but this is the DC Movies thread, not a BvS-specific one. There's other DC movies, both old and new.

Somebody posted about finally seeing the Extended Cut of BvS, and not liking it, which was fine.

But responses after that only just dragged up the same arguments we've had on and off for three years now.

And it goes like it always goes, somebody who we've known to hate the movie is triggered to reiterate how and why they hate the movie, which then triggers the people we've known to come down on the other side to reiterate why that is completely wrong and how and why the movie is actually brilliant.

At this point, it's not much of a discussion, but just tiresome bickering.
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If a movie is still being bickered about years later it probably did something right!
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
No kidding.



..or has a massive hang-up about the way the lead characters have been portrayed in the comics (in various titles) for more than two decades.

The script was one of the few from comic movies of the past decade that had a logical cause and effect for why characters had to act as presented. instead of being yet another disjointed, Saturday morning cartoon lightshow of action for the sake of it. Luthor's anti-"God" syndrome was the prime motivator for manipulating the heroes (with his own backdoor scheming with Kryptonian technology / Doomsday), and that--a longtime, fascinating issue/driver for Luthor in comics and animation--if anyone is actually familiar with the source.
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Any logic behind Luthor's motivations went out the window as soon as he discovered Kryptonite. His whole Anti-God thing was now disproven.
 
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Has anyone on here watched Shazam?

Hard to reconcile Shazam as belonging in the same universe as the neck snapping, city destroying Christopher Nolan style grimdark Superman and the Batman who shoots, stabs and brands criminals in BvS. In Shazam there are Superman and Batman toys in toy shops and at the end of the film
Superman (likely not played by Henry Cavill) makes a surprise guest appearance with Shazam in the school cafeteria.

Unlike the MCU, the DCEU has been all over the place. At least with the well received Aquaman and Shazam it seems to be on the way to recovery.
 
Soong-type Android said:
Hard to reconcile Shazam as belonging in the same universe as the neck snapping, city destroying Christopher Nolan style grimdark Superman and the Batman who shoots, stabs and brands criminals in BvS.
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It's hard to reconcile Justice League -- where Superman was so beloved by the world that his death threw them into unprecedented global despair -- with the earlier movies where Superman was widely feared and mistrusted. But personally, I don't mind, since those earlier movies screwed it up and I like the retconned version better.

Creating fiction is a process. Creators do rough drafts, then improve them and correct their mistakes in later drafts. In a single work like a novel or a standalone movie, all of that happens backstage before the audience sees it. But in an ongoing series, a lot of that revision and error correction happens before our eyes, and often in response to our reactions. So sometimes we just have to accept that early installments in a series are flawed rough drafts that are improved on by later installments. Some series just need more time to find their way than others.
 
Soong-type Android said:
Has anyone on here watched Shazam?

Hard to reconcile Shazam as belonging in the same universe as the neck snapping, city destroying Christopher Nolan style grimdark Superman and the Batman who shoots, stabs and brands criminals in BvS. In Shazam there are Superman and Batman toys in toy shops and at the end of the film
Superman (likely not played by Henry Cavill) makes a surprise guest appearance with Shazam in the school cafeteria.

Unlike the MCU, the DCEU has been all over the place. At least with the well received Aquaman and Shazam it seems to be on the way to recovery.
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No hard at all.Look at the XCU catalog if you want an example of "all over the place". There is also the disparity between series threats posed in Avengers 2 and 3 and how they were followed up by light-hearted fluff Ant-Man 1 and 2.

Or look at DCTV. "Grimdark" Arrow, light-hearted Flash (except Barry's constant torment via loss of family members and Caitlin losing her romantic love interest), the oft absurd Legends etc.

Or Marvel TV. Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage all live in NYC. Spider-Man's NYC. They couldn't be more different.

People are just apathetic to these things and just go along for the ride.
 
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