Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?

[Alan Roi]

I would disagree though that he has a thing for self-sacrifice

In Brother, he tells Burnham to let him fall to his death. In the next episode he leaps on a phaser going off. He constantly complains to Cornwell about being left out of the war, which she points out because she wanted the Enterprise in general and him specifically to survive. He takes out the shuttle into the time vortex and admits it was because he felt left of of doing ridiculously dangerous stuff that could get him killed. When Airiam asks to sacrifice herself, he immediately nods. When Burnham offers to sacrifice herself to get the Red Angel he initially agrees, and then only pulls back when it looks like its failed, he accepts his fate in the chair, his strategy to take on Control is pretty close to a suicide mission which is not entirely necessary. He agrees to another sacrifice by Burnham and lets anyone who wants to go with her to go and he stands back and lets Cornwell sacrifice her self making no effort to stop her. This is very consistent again. A lot of these sacrifices many here have disagreed with, not to mention by the ships doctor, but not Pike.

 

[fireproof78]

In Brother, he tells Burnham to let him fall to his death. In the next episode he leaps on a phaser going off. He constantly complains to Cornwell about being left out of the war, which she points out because she wanted the Enterprise in general and him specifically to survive. He takes out the shuttle into the time vortex and admits it was because he felt left of of doing ridiculously dangers stuff that could get him killed. When Airiam asks to sacrifice herself, he immediately nods. When Burnham offers to sacrifice herself to get the Red Angel he initially agrees, and then only pulls back when it looks like its failed, he accepts his fate in the chair, his strategy to take on Control is pretty close to a suicide mission which is not entirely necessary. He agrees to another sacrifice by Burnham and lets anyone who wants to go with her to go and he stands back and lets Cornwell sacrifice her self making no effort to stop her. This is very consistent again. A lot of these sacrifices many here have disagreed with, not to mention the ships doctor, but not Pike.

It was even worse when he was partnered with Detective Murtaugh.

 

[Rahul]

In Brother, he tells Burnham to let him fall to his death. In the next episode he leaps on a phaser going off. He constantly complains to Cornwell about being left out of the war, which she points out because she wanted the Enterprise in general and him specifically to survive. He takes out the shuttle into the time vortex and admits it was because he felt left of of doing ridiculously dangers stuff that could get him killed. When Airiam asks to sacrifice herself, he immediately nods. When Burnham offers to sacrifice herself to get the Red Angel he initially agrees, and then only pulls back when it looks like its failed, he accepts his fate in the chair, his strategy to take on Control is pretty close to a suicide mission which is not entirely necessary. He agrees to another sacrifice by Burnham and lets anyone who wants to go with her to go and he stands back and lets Cornwell sacrifice her self making no effort to stop her. This is very consistent again. A lot of these sacrifices many here have disagreed with, not to mention the ships doctor, but not Pike.

Complaining about being left out of the war is not "having a thing for self-sacrifice". That's called duty. And is a thing with upright persons - in fact, even the first Captain America movie made a big deal out of that. Also - making the choices to let people under your command die is also "not a thing for self-sacrifice". That's the burden that comes from being in command. And last but not least - being offered a binary choice between "personal sacrifice" and "end of all sentien beings in the galaxy" - you'd have to be a goddamn psychopath to take the other option.

And I still didn't get the vibe from him that "he wanted it" in this situation. It just seeeeeeems the writers themselves seem to have a bit of a hard-on for scenarios like that, and pushing their main characters - in order of importance - repeatedly in those type of scenarios to milk it for the drama.

 

[Mudd]

Well...the melodrama, anyway.

 

[ShranMan]

If they were smart, they would do that. They'd go back to an episodic format, get the best living Trek writers, and make a show that fans can love and rally around. But they're not smart, so no, they won't and if they did it would be more of the same, rambling incoherent "arcs", cardboard characters, endless canon violations, bad science, junk action and lame melodrama. So better that they don't. But hey, they gave us 2 minutes of legit ST. That's a lot for these people.

 

[BillJ]

...it would be more of the same, rambling incoherent "arcs", cardboard characters, endless canon violations, bad science, junk action and lame melodrama.

Star Trek has been chock full of all these things since 1966.

 

[CorporalClegg]

In other words: the same tired-ass shit from 20 years ago.

 

[Alan Roi]

Star Trek has been chock full of all these things since 1966.

And written, coincidentally, by the best living Star Trek writers.

 

[CorporalClegg]

What constitutes 'best living Star Trek writer' anyway?

 

[BillJ]

What constitutes 'best living Star Trek writer' anyway?

Bryan Fuller?

 

[CorporalClegg]

Well played, Sir.

 

[BillJ]

Well played, Sir.

On a serious note: no one should forget that Nick Meyer was a season one creative consultant for Discovery.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Absolutely.

But my initial objection with the statement is that it implies only people who've written Trek before should be allowed to write Trek now. Which is, well, stupid.

 

[BillJ]

But my initial objection with the statement is that it implies only people who've written Trek before should be allowed to write Trek now. Which is, well, stupid.

Yep. Nick Meyer blew that non-sense out of the water with The Wrath of Khan, and Michael Piller with TNG season three.

 

[fireproof78]

Yep. Nick Meyer blew that non-sense out of the water with The Wrath of Khan, and Michael Piller with TNG season three.

Except Piller had a more rough introduction to the Roddenberry box that writers of the time operated in, while Meyer was given more flexibility.

 

[The Wormhole]

What constitutes 'best living Star Trek writer' anyway?

BRING BACK RICK BERMAN AND BRANNON BRAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fireproof78]

BRING BACK RICK BERMAN AND BRANNON BRAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start the petition!

 

[Lord Garth]

BRING BACK RICK BERMAN AND BRANNON BRAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start the petition!

 

[Greg Cox]

Yep. Nick Meyer blew that non-sense out of the water with The Wrath of Khan, and Michael Piller with TNG season three.

Not to mention pretty much everyone who wrote for the first season of TOS.

 

[fireproof78]

Put it down, one no.