But if they used the Bifrost, would that not mean that Heimdall would be aware of future Thor's existence? I thought someone has to be on the Asgard end of the Bifrost for it to work...
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yeah i don't know.. just a guess. i mean maybe the same way Steve returns the Soul Stone to the Red Skull.. the answer: who knows hahaha
When does he get the Super-serum? He gets experimented on and given an cybernetic arm but i don't remember them saying or showing that.
Zola was experimenting on Bucky just before Steve rescued him and Steve later speculated that this was how Bucky survived the fall from the train, but it was never implied that Zola had recreated the serum.
There's a screencap of the Howard the Duck cameo at the link.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/guardians-galaxy-cameo-people-missed-avengers-endgame/amp/
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/guardians-galaxy-cameo-people-missed-avengers-endgame/amp/
Presumably, they just exited the quantum realm in Asgard. The other group used a ship because there were two stones in that year. The all arrived on Morag, then Rhody and Nebula stayed behind with a pod while Nat & Clint took off for Vormir.
how did Steve return the soul stone
Successfully.
By throwing Schmidt off the cliff.
I doubt you have to kill someone to return the Soul Stone--only to get it.
Here's the thing though--past Gamorrah is in 2023, and living her life. Apparently, that does not violate their rules of time travel. I guess she is now in an alternate timeline from her perspective and the timeline she left goes on without a Gamorrah.
So my question is, couldn't they do the same thing with Tony and Black Widow? They just go back in time to right before the battle, grab Tony and Natasha, and stick them in the present.
Boom--they are back.
Here's the thing though--past Gamorrah is in 2023, and living her life. Apparently, that does not violate their rules of time travel. I guess she is now in an alternate timeline from her perspective and the timeline she left goes on without a Gamorrah.
So my question is, couldn't they do the same thing with Tony and Black Widow? They just go back in time to right before the battle, grab Tony and Natasha, and stick them in the present.
Boom--they are back.
IMO they left enough options to come back to/bring back beloved characters. Time travel, with Tony they could go down the Tony!AI-route etc.
The question is rather whether they'll take one of the options on the table... depends on whether the franchise'll continue to thrive and whether they'll convince the actors to return.
... and whether they want to ruin the message that sometimes sacrifices are necessary and death actually means death (since we're on a Trek-board... *g*).
The question is rather whether they'll take one of the options on the table... depends on whether the franchise'll continue to thrive and whether they'll convince the actors to return.
... and whether they want to ruin the message that sometimes sacrifices are necessary and death actually means death (since we're on a Trek-board... *g*).
I might have misunderstood that scene but it seemed implied that he'd had something to increase his strength and invulnerability. Probably not the exact serum that Steve Rogers had, but Zola had clearly progressed along the way to some sort of serum, with Red Skull being an early, partly successful trial. Certainly the scene in Civil War seemed to show him running faster than would seem likely for an unenhanced human. And its unlikely that just a cybernetic arm could provide significant enhanced strength without enhancements to the rest of his muscular and skeletal systems (although as it's a comic book movie its also possible that I should just ignore that sort of biological reality - certainly Tony Stark didn't get brain damage when smashing into a wall in his first movie, which definitely should have happened).
I think it's pretty heavily implied that Bucky got some sort of serum... he was training the 5 supersoldiers that got the serum he took from Howard, and how could he do that if he wasn't enhanced?
Also: just rewatched the scene where Steve rescues Bucky - he was placed in a medical chair with lots of tubes hanging around (although not directly connected to Bucky anymore).
*lol* One could argue that there wasn't much to shake up in Tony's brain anymore that wasn't already out of whack (either by alcohol, drugs, torture...). And you can't destroy an iconic scene by talk of possible brain damage.
The OG signatures on screen? Yeah, loved it!
As for Black Widow, the "rules" of the Soul Stone are that when you get sacrificed/kill yourself for it, you stay dead and it's only by doing something like getting an alternate timeline version of yourself to take your place that you can live again. But the original Prime Timeline version is dead for good.
They used this to get Gamora back but put her in the position of retaining her earlier tough persona to have a better dynamic with Quill again since she'd been losing her edge by Volume 2.
Also they inverted the relationship with Nebula, now SHE is the more heroic and kinder one of the two.
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Watched it for the second time last night and will see it for the third this Thursday, never done that before. I must really like a film when I don't give shit about the time travel plot holes 
Favorite scene - Captain America gets the hammer!
Favorite scene - Captain America gets the hammer!
The point is that they could. There is literally no reason they just can't bring Tony back just like Gamora.
In comics, dead only means dead if you are Batman's parents or Uncle Ben.
Exactly, but a Natasha from the past, is just as real and legit as the one that died.
I hope we aren't done with Steve Rogers. Chris Evans was so well cast in the role, and Sam, while a great supporting character, does not have the charisma to be Captain America. He also doesn't have the serum.
I'd love them to find a way to give Steve another dose of the serum and make him young again. He will have had his life with Peggy, which he deserved, and could continue being Captain America.
It's refreshing when you see a character done right, and they did that with Steve Rogers. I'm so glad they didn't kill him.
But I think bringing back Natasha - or bringing forward a Natasha from another timeline wouldn't do that character justice.
As you say, Kirk Prime, of course they could do it. And let's be honest, they probably will. BW has a movie lined up, so at least the question about her will be solved quite soon (unless it's a prequel), especially since we didn't have a funeral/memorial for her.
But I highly doubt they'll go down that road with Tony.
And Steve... well Chris Evans made it quite clear that he has no interest in playing Steve anymore. And a recasting that role with someone equally charismatic will be difficult at best - and I don't think the audience'd swallow it in the next 5-10 years.
I agree on Sam: He has neither the serum, nor the charisma. He's a typical follower. So I'm not sure how they'll turn him into Captain America (would have had the same problem with Bucky: his experience is as someone in the background/follower in the war, and then as assassin/spy...). I'm curious as to how they'll swing that, guess we'll see on TV.
As you say, Kirk Prime, of course they could do it. And let's be honest, they probably will. BW has a movie lined up, so at least the question about her will be solved quite soon (unless it's a prequel), especially since we didn't have a funeral/memorial for her.
But I highly doubt they'll go down that road with Tony.
And Steve... well Chris Evans made it quite clear that he has no interest in playing Steve anymore. And a recasting that role with someone equally charismatic will be difficult at best - and I don't think the audience'd swallow it in the next 5-10 years.
I agree on Sam: He has neither the serum, nor the charisma. He's a typical follower. So I'm not sure how they'll turn him into Captain America (would have had the same problem with Bucky: his experience is as someone in the background/follower in the war, and then as assassin/spy...). I'm curious as to how they'll swing that, guess we'll see on TV.
These ARE characters that should eventually be recast. The characters were iconic before the actors touched them. These actors just happened to be perfectly cast and the writers did a great job.
But if Chris Evans never wants to play Cap again, he must be replaced. Just like Bruce Banner was replaced.
Chris Evans was an absolutely perfect Cap. They can do it again.
It's Steve Rogers that Marvel needs, not Chris Evans. I would love to see him continue, but if he doesn't want that, no reason the character can't.
But if Chris Evans never wants to play Cap again, he must be replaced. Just like Bruce Banner was replaced.
Chris Evans was an absolutely perfect Cap. They can do it again.
It's Steve Rogers that Marvel needs, not Chris Evans. I would love to see him continue, but if he doesn't want that, no reason the character can't.
It's also goes on without a Thanos and his legions, so that universe came out on top of that bargain because no snap at all. On the down side, Ronan is still alive and the power stone is still in place, so who knows how that all shakes out.
That's basically kidnapping. I mean imagine for a second if an alternate timeline Tony showed up and grabbed Pepper because his Pepper got snapped or something. It's creepy.
If they willingly want to go, it's no issue at all.
