Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Teaser Trailer

[Ithekro]

In context, it seems to be called a lightsaber with people who know what it is or within the Jedi and Sith Orders. Its called a laser sword when out with the general unknowing public (peasants, since this is a fantasy setting)

 

[Jono]

In terms of the new movies this first teaser trailer is tied third with TFA. Rogue One got me the most hyped, TLJ second with Solo last (though not the exact order I'd rate the films after seeing them). This and the TFA didn't really do much to change my hype for the movie and would be pretty forgettable if not for the Falcon stuff.

In terms of the trilogy I'm pretty much in a similar place as I was with the prequels. Enjoyed aspects of the first two, middling opinion of everything so far, but still interested to see how it all ends.

 

[Jayson1]

They way I see these new movies I feel like they should have always been more about the older characters. When "Star Trek" came back they didn't bring in new people and give secondary roles to KIrk and Spock etc. They should have been about the old gang with new character in secondary roles with the hopes of transitioning to them for a new trilogy once this one is complete. In reality Rey is the only one who should have had a big role. .Maybe she is Luke's aprentice or something. Which means when she is finally ready to be a Jedi it's right when it's her time to lead the franchise.

Jason

 

[Mage]

That's right. And he calls it a lightsaber exactly once in the whole of the Star Wars movies.

...Anakin also calls it a laser sword once and a lightsaber once.

In context, it seems to be called a lightsaber with people who know what it is or within the Jedi and Sith Orders. Its called a laser sword when out with the general unknowing public (peasants, since this is a fantasy setting)

What Ithreko said. Young Annie calling it a lasersword was because he didn't know better. Luke calling it a lasersword after years of knowing what it actually is called, felt like a little jab from Rian. But that's just me, and your milage my vary.

 

[Campe]

They way I see these new movies I feel like they should have always been more about the older characters. When "Star Trek" came back they didn't bring in new people and give secondary roles to KIrk and Spock etc. They should have been about the old gang with new character in secondary roles with the hopes of transitioning to them for a new trilogy once this one is complete. In reality Rey is the only one who should have had a big role. .Maybe she is Luke's aprentice or something. Which means when she is finally ready to be a Jedi it's right when it's her time to lead the franchise.

Gotta disagree. Star Wars is a multigenerational saga. The problem that I think a lot of fans have with this is they are so connected to Luke, Han and Leia that they can’t see that. I love those characters. I grew up with them. I had so many adventures with them as a kid playing with my action figures.

But I’m going to be 40 by the time The Rise of Skywalker hits theaters. And fuck, that’s just crazy to think about.

On top of that, my wife and I are having our first child next month. A boy. I want him to have his own generation of Star Wars. Oh, sure. He can go back and watch those old movies with his dad if he wants. But I want him to have his own heroes to look up to. And maybe it won’t be Rey, Finn and Poe for my son. Maybe he’ll be of that age after LFL takes their hiatus that he’ll want to see these new films and have new heroes to look up to. (He might not even like Star Wars at all. Perish the thought. )

And I think that’s one of the biggest messages in Star Wars — that every generation has a legend; every generation has their hero. But honestly, I find the idea that this new trilogy needing to pander to the original fans by making their characters the heroes again to miss the point.

But that might just be me.

 

[thribs]

Teaser didn’t really do anything for me.

 

[Jayson1]

Gotta disagree. Star Wars is a multigenerational saga. The problem that I think a lot of fans have with this is they are so connected to Luke, Han and Leia that they can’t see that. I love those characters. I grew up with them. I had so many adventures with them as a kid playing with my action figures.

But I’m going to be 40 by the time The Rise of Skywalker hits theaters. And fuck, that’s just crazy to think about.

On top of that, my wife and I are having our first child next month. A boy. I want him to have his own generation of Star Wars. Oh, sure. He can go back and watch those old movies with his dad if he wants. But I want him to have his own heroes to look up to. And maybe it won’t be Rey, Finn and Poe for my son. Maybe he’ll be of that age after LFL takes their hiatus that he’ll want to see these new films and have new heroes to look up to. (He might not even like Star Wars at all. Perish the thought. )

And I think that’s one of the biggest messages in Star Wars — that every generation has a legend; every generation has their hero. But honestly, I find the idea that this new trilogy needing to pander to the original fans by making their characters the heroes again to miss the point.

But that might just be me.

I don't mind a new generation taking over but I don't see why it couldn't have been putt off for 5 to 10 years or however long it takes to film 3 movies. With using Rey and others to sort of set up their own thing once this is over. With the older actors this has been our last chance we get to see them in their roles because of their age, as we know very well now because of the passing of Fisher.
If you don't do it now you lose a chance to do it forever. Heck even the stand alone movies could have been used as a means of really exploring Rey and the others and by the time you put them together in their own trilogy it almost feels "Avengers" like by seeing these new characters from the stand alone movies, teaming together after seeing them in their solo(pun intended) movies.

Jason

 

[Campe]

I don't mind a new generation taking over but I don't see why it couldn't have been putt off for 5 to 10 years or however long it takes to film 3 movies. With using Rey and others to sort of set up their own thing once this is over. With the older actors this has been our last chance we get to see them in their roles because of their age, as we know very well now because of the passing of Fisher.
If you don't do it now you lose a chance to do it forever. Heck even the stand alone movies could have been used as a means of really exploring Rey and the others and by the time you put them together in their own trilogy it almost feels "Avengers" like by seeing these new characters from the stand alone movies, teaming together after seeing them in their solo(pun intended) movies.

Jason

Sure, that’s a way to do it. That’s not really how these saga films work. They’re a trilogy of trilogies, each telling a story with its own main characters and Artoo and Threepio being the ones throughout the whole series.

Look chronologically at the PT into the OT. You have Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine and Anakin/Vader moving into the next trilogy. None of them (other than arguably Vader) are really the heroes or even really main characters. Hell, we’re led to believe none of them survive the OT.

Then we get to the OT into the ST. You have Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, Lando and in some form Palpatine. I’m going to give an unpopular opinion here and think we have too much of the older characters so far in these films. Han is a far more integral part in TFA than Obi-Wan is in ANH despite the fact they both play the mentor role. Luke is more integral to both films so far than Yoda was. And we were led to believe Leia was to have the big role in what has become TROS. Chewie is still a sidekick. Who knows how big of roles Lando and Palps will have? I think LFL has taken too much of these characters because of the nostalgia factor. And to a point, I get it.

Yes, not having Han, Luke and Leia together again was a definite missed opportunity. However, could it be possible that it might still happen? We have unused Carrie Fisher footage from TFA. We don’t know what that involves. Might a flashback scene be in order? It’s very possible to do something like that these days. And if Ford was game for a cameo or a scene he was already in with Fisher they could work Hamill into existed, wouldn’t that be a fun surprise?

But I for one don’t need an entire trilogy about an aging wizard, scoundrel and princess running around saving the galaxy just to pass the torch. I think there’s been enough torch passing already. Time for these new characters to stand on their own.

 

[Tosk]

In context, it seems to be called a lightsaber with people who know what it is or within the Jedi and Sith Orders. Its called a laser sword when out with the general unknowing public (peasants, since this is a fantasy setting)

Sure, I guess that works. But how does that invalidate the claim that calling it a laser sword is an acceptable variant?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

George Lucas wrote "laser sword" onto the screen in TPM, so complaining about the term is rather ridiculous.

 

[Reverend]

I'm pretty sure "laser sword" is just meant to be a colloquial term used by non-Jedi who simply don't know any better. Sort of how most dignitaries seem address to all Jedi as "Master Jedi", regardless of their actual rank, again because they don't know any better. Jedi don't bother to correct people because it just doesn't matter to them what people call their lightsabers or how they're addressed. Their ranks are just meant to inform the student/teacher relationship within the Order itself. Jedi do not require deference, veneration or obeisance from either slave or monarch and conversely, will treat either of those with equal respect.

And let's be honest, it *is* a laser sword. If you had never seen Star Wars and just saw that image, "laser sword" would be how you'd describe it to someone else, which is kinda the point. "Lightsaber" just sounds better and a little less hokey.

 

[Jayson1]

Sure, that’s a way to do it. That’s not really how these saga films work. They’re a trilogy of trilogies, each telling a story with its own main characters and Artoo and Threepio being the ones throughout the whole series.

Look chronologically at the PT into the OT. You have Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine and Anakin/Vader moving into the next trilogy. None of them (other than arguably Vader) are really the heroes or even really main characters. Hell, we’re led to believe none of them survive the OT.

Then we get to the OT into the ST. You have Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, Lando and in some form Palpatine. I’m going to give an unpopular opinion here and think we have too much of the older characters so far in these films. Han is a far more integral part in TFA than Obi-Wan is in ANH despite the fact they both play the mentor role. Luke is more integral to both films so far than Yoda was. And we were led to believe Leia was to have the big role in what has become TROS. Chewie is still a sidekick. Who knows how big of roles Lando and Palps will have? I think LFL has taken too much of these characters because of the nostalgia factor. And to a point, I get it.

Yes, not having Han, Luke and Leia together again was a definite missed opportunity. However, could it be possible that it might still happen? We have unused Carrie Fisher footage from TFA. We don’t know what that involves. Might a flashback scene be in order? It’s very possible to do something like that these days. And if Ford was game for a cameo or a scene he was already in with Fisher they could work Hamill into existed, wouldn’t that be a fun surprise?

But I for one don’t need an entire trilogy about an aging wizard, scoundrel and princess running around saving the galaxy just to pass the torch. I think there’s been enough torch passing already. Time for these new characters to stand on their own.

I have felt the trilogy has sort of played fast and loose over what it's all about. After the first 3 movies you think it's all about Luke. Then you watch the prequels and then you kind of think the whole thing is about Vadar or the Skywalkers but then the new movies come along and Rey isn't a Skywalker so then you begin to wonder what is the point of her character being the lead if this is all about the Skywalkers.

Maybe these films should have been about Luke on one final arc. Maybe Emperior has risen and the galaxy is in danger or something and he stops it. Everyone dies in the end or gets closer in some fashion. Rey who is in the movies takes up the mantle and her story is then told in the next trilogy. I mean if people like Rey and the new characters then it also makes no sense to me to limit them to just 3 movies but if you bring them back for new movies right now then it's just extending the original trilogy. I mean is this going to be the last people see of Rey and the others? If these movie makes money and it will then I doubt Disney is going to not use these characters again which would be better if they were already connected to own trilogy instead of the old one.

Jason

 

[The Wormhole]

George Lucas wrote "laser sword" onto the screen in TPM, so complaining about the term is rather ridiculous.

But, but, Prequels, and raped childhoods. What does George Lucas really know, anyway?

 

[Campe]

I have felt the trilogy has sort of played fast and loose over what it's all about. After the first 3 movies you think it's all about Luke. Then you watch the prequels and then you kind of think the whole thing is about Vadar or the Skywalkers but then the new movies come along and Rey isn't a Skywalker so then you begin to wonder what is the point of her character being the lead if this is all about the Skywalkers.

First, Ben Solo is of Skywalker lineage. So there’s your blood connection right there. We don’t need (nor do I want) Rey to be connected via blood.

Second, as is a pretty popular theory right now, what if Rey took the name Skywalker as the name of the new Force user? One thing Disney Star Wars has been big on is showing that the Force doesn’t belong to the Jedi and the Sith, that there are others that can access the Force. This puts the idea of the Jedi ending at a whole new level. They become something else. Not light. Not dark. But those who can find the grey in all. I get it, “once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.” But does it have to be that way? Is there a balance (another key point in Star Wars in general). Maybe this trilogy is about truly finding that balance. Maybe this is why there is such a focus on Rey and Ben. That perhaps keeping each other in check is how you maintain balance.

As for the changing focus of the saga, each saga is an individual story. But it’s all part of a larger story. So as you see more, it becomes clear. But that doesn’t change the fact that the prequels are Anakin’s story, the originals are Luke’s and the sequels are shared between Rey and Ben. But it’s all part of a larger story that we’re not 100% clear on right now.

Maybe these films should have been about Luke on one final arc. Maybe Emperior has risen and the galaxy is in danger or something and he stops it. Everyone dies in the end or gets closer in some fashion. Rey who is in the movies takes up the mantle and her story is then told in the next trilogy.

As you’re pretty much presenting the exact same point as you did in your last post, I’ll just suggest again that this idea doesn’t interest me to see a whole trilogy about this. One movie would have been fine. But that’s not the path they took. So we move on.

I mean if people like Rey and the new characters then it also makes no sense to me to limit them to just 3 movies but if you bring them back for new movies right now then it's just extending the original trilogy.

I’m not 100% sure I understand where you’re going with this comment. I think you’re saying you’d rather have this trilogy be about Han, Luke and Leia as opposed to the new characters so we can continue the original trilogy. If that’s the case, I point you in the direction of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull amongst other attempts to revive entertainment with original casts as leads that more often than not fall flat. Having them in supporting/ mentor roles makes more sense to me.

I mean is this going to be the last people see of Rey and the others? If these movie makes money and it will then I doubt Disney is going to not use these characters again which would be better if they were already connected to own trilogy instead of the old one.

That might be the direction they take and it might not be. We don’t know what Episode IX will bring. We don’t know if this truly is the end of the Saga films. They’ve said that before. And here we are, talking about the 9th installment (and 11th film overall.)

 

[DarKush]

"The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
―George Lucas on his thoughts about the wedding and other EU elements. Total Film magazine, May 2008


Disney didn't want to break free of the past. That's the point. It is a balance, and they have tried to scale back the nostalgia, only to be told contradictory messages from the audience (Rogue One is awesome because it is so familiar but with different characters! TLJ is bad because it is so different!)

Regardless, I don't see the original characters being treated poorly. Certainly not as poor as the EU ended up treating them.

As for the ST heroes, I'll admit my bias. I like all of them. I'm invested in all of them. To me, they are presented at the forefront of this new trailer and their adventure is building up, while allowing the OT characters to have their story wrapped up. As Gandalf said: "One stage of your journey is over, another begins."

Thanks for the information. Lucas not wanting Luke to get married is not the same as hermit Luke who has shut him off from the Force and left his sister, his friends, and the galaxy at the mercy of Snoke and the First Order.

I see Disney's messaging, especially regarding The Last Jedi and their defense of it, along with the Hollywood press, as praising that TLJ was breaking with the past, was doing something new, or 'different' as you say, and that that's one of the reason the 'old' fans were mad. Being different is not the reason IMO that TLJ provoked such ire among some fans. It was how the film treated Luke, how it was constantly subverting things just because Johnson wanted to, and seemed to get a thrill out of going left, like he was trolling the audience, and then one can look at the forced humor, the not-great story, etc. It wasn't about being different at all. The prequels were different than the original trilogy, but most fans' issues with those films were not because of 'difference' but in a lot of ways that those films generally didn't measure up to their definition of quality, and I think to a great extent, the same can be said for the sequels.

Rogue One was awesome, though not perfect, because it told a mostly tight story that was better connected to a beloved entry in the saga, it gave us some insider, fill in the blank information on the Death Star, and it showed Vader being bad-assed (which for some reason Rian Johnson and some TLJ defenders felt they shouldn't have done with Luke), more Tarkin, and Leia as almost the embodiment of hope. It did so while also adding some intriguing new characters and giving fans of The Clone Wars some payoff by including Saw Gerrera.

Compared to the sequels, the EU treated the OT characters much better. Let's look at it: Luke became the founder of the New Jedi Order, got married to Mara Jade, had a son-Ben Skywalker, and became the most powerful Jedi ever. He saved the galaxy several times after the Galactic Civil War. Han and Leia got married and stayed married, had three children, and while there was tragedy there with Chewbacca, Anakin, and then Jacen, Jaina survived, and they still wound up being grandparents. Leia was at one time the leader of the New Republic and remained a respected figure in the galaxy. She's respected still in the sequels, however she's the grizzled general of a losing war (as of TLJ), whereas Han ran away from dealing with Ben, only to come back to be murdered by him. Luke also ran away to sulk while the galaxy went to hell. Chewbacca does survive but they aren't doing much with his character and he couldn't protect Han when it counted, failing I guess in his life-debt thing (which I think is still a thing in Disney Star Wars). In the EU, Lando went on to become a successful entrepreneur and I know he had a son, Chance, but I can't remember for certain if he got married, I think he did though. And the EU gave the big three a final swan song adventure whereas we never saw Luke, Leia, and Han together again at the same time in the sequels.

To be honest here, I didn't care for Han and Leia much in the EU. I thought they were shoehorned into stories way too much. (Though I did like Jedi Leia, however the novels just didn't explore that side of her character enough). But after seeing what the sequels did to them, I prefer EU Han and Leia a million times more.

I will say that Rey seems more powerful than Jaina, but Jaina was more skilled. And Ren doesn't compare to Jacen, who was one of the best duelists in the galaxy and had a wealth of knowledge about the Force. Ren still comes across like an unstable brat far too much compared to the at times intellectual, methodical Darth Caedus.

The EU also created better villains. It would be great to see Lumiya, Abeloth, or Darth Kraayt, or villains similar to them in films. Marvel Studios does a superior job mining the source material than Disney Lucasfilm has thus far.

 

[fireproof78]

Thanks for the information. Lucas not wanting Luke to get married is not the same as hermit Luke who has shut him off from the Force and left his sister, his friends, and the galaxy at the mercy of Snoke and the First Order.

Based upon BTS information hermit Luke was also part of Lucas' concepts.

I see Disney's messaging, especially regarding The Last Jedi and their defense of it, along with the Hollywood press, as praising that TLJ was breaking with the past, was doing something new, or 'different' as you say, and that that's one of the reason the 'old' fans were mad. Being different is not the reason IMO that TLJ provoked such ire among some fans. It was how the film treated Luke, how it was constantly subverting things just because Johnson wanted to, and seemed to get a thrill out of going left, like he was trolling the audience, and then one can look at the forced humor, the not-great story, etc. It wasn't about being different at all. The prequels were different than the original trilogy, but most fans' issues with those films were not because of 'difference' but in a lot of ways that those films generally didn't measure up to their definition of quality, and I think to a great extent, the same can be said for the sequels.

I cannot agree with much of the assumptions in this diatribe. The assumption that Johnson changed it "just 'cause" and "got a thrill out of trolling the audience" demonstrates a highly emotional judgment regarding these decisions. With due respect, I cannot take it seriously.

Rogue One was awesome, though not perfect, because it told a mostly tight story that was better connected to a beloved entry in the saga, and it showed Vader being bad-assed, more Tarkin, and Leia as almost the embodiment of hope. It did so while also adding some intriguing new characters and giving fans of The Clone Wars some payoff by including Saw Gerrera.

I'm glad you enjoyed Rogue One. The Vader seen was the most jarring part of the SW films to date and seemed very much fan service just because they could.

The EU also created better villains. It would be great to see Lumiya, Abeloth, or Darth Kraayt, or villains similar to them in films. Marvel Studios does a superior job mining the source material than Disney Lucasfilm has thus far.

Agree to disagree on this so far. The villains of the EU were not engaging for me, and part of the reason that I slowly disengaged over time. Also, the fact that Jacen turned to the Dark Side, killed Mara, how Chewie died, the destruction of the New Republic. All of this stuff is the same thing that happens in the ST. In my opinion, it drives the OT characters to ridiculous heights only to crash them back to reality in the most cruel ways.

For my money, I will take the ST thus far. And that might change with Episode IX as the wrap up to the series. But, the characters of the ST have hooked me, engaged me, and keep me going on the journey. Not for the sake of nostalgia but just for the sake of story.

 

[DarKush]

Based upon BTS information hermit Luke was also part of Lucas' concepts.

I cannot agree with much of the assumptions in this diatribe. The assumption that Johnson changed it "just 'cause" and "got a thrill out of trolling the audience" demonstrates a highly emotional judgment regarding these decisions. With due respect, I cannot take it seriously.

I'm glad you enjoyed Rogue One. The Vader seen was the most jarring part of the SW films to date and seemed very much fan service just because they could.

Agree to disagree on this so far. The villains of the EU were not engaging for me, and part of the reason that I slowly disengaged over time. Also, the fact that Jacen turned to the Dark Side, killed Mara, how Chewie died, the destruction of the New Republic. All of this stuff is the same thing that happens in the ST. In my opinion, it drives the OT characters to ridiculous heights only to crash them back to reality in the most cruel ways.

For my money, I will take the ST thus far. And that might change with Episode IX as the wrap up to the series. But, the characters of the ST have hooked me, engaged me, and keep me going on the journey. Not for the sake of nostalgia but just for the sake of story.

I think describing what I wrote as a 'diatribe' is exaggerating things. I didn't write it in all capital letters. The idea that Rian Johnson was subverting happy in TLJ is not one that I hold singularly. To be honest, I don't care if you take it seriously or not. I'm not here to convince you-if I did that would be great-but I'm just expressing my impressions on the new teaser and the sequels, etc. overall. It's how I see TLJ, and it's my opinion, though one also shared by other people.

When it comes to Hermit Luke, as part of Lucas's original ideas, I don't know if the same thing that triggered his behavior in TLJ was what Lucas would have done. Luke being a hermit at some point is not an issue; Obi-Wan was a hermit but there was a purpose behind his retreat, unlike TLJ Luke. And also, as the prequels proved, and did some of the OT, not everything Lucas came up with was above critique.

If you don't like the EU, yet acknowledge the sequels have done something similar, why do you prefer the sequels to the EU, if they are influenced or taking things from the EU? Is it a matter of execution here? In terms of crashing to reality, are you talking about how the EU or the sequels treated the characters? The EU characters were challenged, they did lose sometimes, but they weren't as broken and/or dour as the sequel depictions.

Hey, if you don't like the EU villains, that's your opinion. I think the EU villains were often better written and definitely better developed. We got a sense of what motivated them, what their goals were, etc. I mean, what was the point of Snoke again? Who was he? What drove him? Why did Ben turn to the dark side? Just to do it? After two films we still don't quite know. How in the world has Hux maintained his high position in the First Order, based on what we've seen in the films, especially TLJ? And what is Hux's motivation? Simply to just rule the First Order and then the galaxy? The sequels have not convinced me that Ren or Hux are legitimate menaces. And just when TLJ was doing that with Snoke, Johnson kills him off.

Opposite to you, the sequel characters haven't done anything for me, and I recoiled at the offensive depiction of Finn (which I've went into in older posts). It's unfortunate because the actors are good and game, but the stories, the vision-or lack thereof-of the sequels have failed them.

 

[Jayson1]

First, Ben Solo is of Skywalker lineage. So there’s your blood connection right there. We don’t need (nor do I want) Rey to be connected via blood.

Second, as is a pretty popular theory right now, what if Rey took the name Skywalker as the name of the new Force user? One thing Disney Star Wars has been big on is showing that the Force doesn’t belong to the Jedi and the Sith, that there are others that can access the Force. This puts the idea of the Jedi ending at a whole new level. They become something else. Not light. Not dark. But those who can find the grey in all. I get it, “once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.” But does it have to be that way? Is there a balance (another key point in Star Wars in general). Maybe this trilogy is about truly finding that balance. Maybe this is why there is such a focus on Rey and Ben. That perhaps keeping each other in check is how you maintain balance.

As for the changing focus of the saga, each saga is an individual story. But it’s all part of a larger story. So as you see more, it becomes clear. But that doesn’t change the fact that the prequels are Anakin’s story, the originals are Luke’s and the sequels are shared between Rey and Ben. But it’s all part of a larger story that we’re not 100% clear on right now.



As you’re pretty much presenting the exact same point as you did in your last post, I’ll just suggest again that this idea doesn’t interest me to see a whole trilogy about this. One movie would have been fine. But that’s not the path they took. So we move on.



I’m not 100% sure I understand where you’re going with this comment. I think you’re saying you’d rather have this trilogy be about Han, Luke and Leia as opposed to the new characters so we can continue the original trilogy. If that’s the case, I point you in the direction of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull amongst other attempts to revive entertainment with original casts as leads that more often than not fall flat. Having them in supporting/ mentor roles makes more sense to me.



That might be the direction they take and it might not be. We don’t know what Episode IX will bring. We don’t know if this truly is the end of the Saga films. They’ve said that before. And here we are, talking about the 9th installment (and 11th film overall.)

Yep I think I would have rather this been about Luke,Han Leia or at least Luke and Leia in all 3. Han in the first one because I do think in anyway you go you have to kill him in the first in no small part that I don't think you could get Harrison Ford onboard for doing 3 more of these. The Emperior in small part until the the 3rd.

I do kind of like the idea of the old timers being mixed in with some fresh faces but I would have liked to seen the thrust of whole trilogy then be around the realtionship of Luke and Rey and also Leia and Kylo with the Emperior being a kind of distant threat hanging in the weeds until he finally returns in the third one. To me the most interesting drama comes from Luke and his replacement in Rey and the parent/son stuff between Leia/Han and Kylo. Everyone else of course would be sort of secondary to these two arcs.

They sort of went this way but Luke is basically not in the first movie. Leia is barely in either of them. Solo I thought they handled very well. Lando should have been in all of them but in a small role along with FInn and Poe and the droids. If I was going to have a 3rd smaller arc it would be a friendship maybe romance between Finn and Poe with Lando being involved somehow. Maybe he is Poe's commanding officer or something. Not really sure.

Once the trilogy is over then Rey and maybe Kylo depending on whether they decided for the Redemption arc or not, teamed with Finn and Poe then become the stars for a new trilogy. A trilogy that has nothing to do with Jedi,Storm Troopers etc stuff. Perhaps a war in another part of the galaxy or maybe we see Earth for the first time. Which is a very old mystery and I think people would be excited to see what that would add. It would be new and different enough mystery and a chance to explore something that you don't have to really look to anything George Lucas did for pointers on how to explore that story.


Jason

 

[fireproof78]

I think describing what I wrote as a 'diatribe' is exaggerating things. I didn't write it in all capital letters. The idea that Rian Johnson was subverting happy in TLJ is not one that I hold singularly. To be honest, I don't care if you take it seriously or not. I'm not here to convince you-if I did that would be great-but I'm just expressing my impressions on the new teaser and the sequels, etc. overall. It's how I see TLJ, and it's my opinion, though one also shared by other people.

When terms such as "trolling" are used it comes across as a diatribe. It comes across as very much assuming maliciousness on the part of Johnson in his efforts to make this film. That's what stood out to me. And, I'll admit, that assuming delight by Johnson and Disney in frustrating old fans strikes me as intensely petty.

When it comes to Hermit Luke, as part of Lucas's original ideas, I don't know if the same thing that triggered his behavior in TLJ was what Lucas would have done. Luke being a hermit at some point is not an issue; Obi-Wan was a hermit but there was a purpose behind his retreat, unlike TLJ Luke. And also, as the prequels proved, and did some of the OT, not everything Lucas came up with was above critique.

No, it isn't above critique. But, it goes to my larger point that Johnson isn't just some rogue director who just acted out. There is BTS details that showcases the energy put in by the story group and production team to craft what they wanted.

If you don't like the EU, yet acknowledge the sequels have done something similar, why do you prefer the sequels to the EU, if they are influenced or taking things from the EU? Is it a matter of execution here? In terms of crashing to reality, are you talking about how the EU or the sequels treated the characters? The EU characters were challenged, they did lose sometimes, but they weren't as broken and/or dour as the sequel depictions.

I feel like the ST portrayals are more realistic than the books. Dour, perhaps, but realistic given their struggles. I don't know. It just hits me where I live.

Hey, if you don't like the EU villains, that's your opinion. I think the EU villains were often better written and definitely better developed. We got a sense of what motivated them, what their goals were, etc. I mean, what was the point of Snoke again? Who was he? What drove him? Why did Ben turn to the dark side? Just to do it? After two films we still don't quite know. How in the world has Hux maintained his high position in the First Order, based on what we've seen in the films, especially TLJ? And what is Hux's motivation? Simply to just rule the First Order and then the galaxy? The sequels have not convinced me that Ren or Hux are legitimate menaces. And just when TLJ was doing that with Snoke, Johnson kills him off.

You could ask the same questions of the Emperor and Tarkin. I mean what did we know about them? What were their motivations?

For me, Hux is one who hates the Republic, and what it represents. Snoke hates the Jedi and fears their return. Seems relatively straight forward .

Opposite to you, the sequel characters haven't done anything for me, and I recoiled at the offensive depiction of Finn (which I've went into in older posts). It's unfortunate because the actors are good and game, but the stories, the vision-or lack thereof-of the sequels have failed them.

Then this will be agree to disagree moment.

 

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I don't mind a new generation taking over

When "Star Trek" came back they didn't bring in new people and give secondary roles to KIrk and Spock etc.

Well, there was this thing called "the Next Generation"...

One thing Disney Star Wars has been big on is showing that the Force doesn’t belong to the Jedi and the Sith, that there are others that can access the Force.

That was already clear enough pre-Disney. No one ever said the Force "belonged" to the Jedi and Sith.

This puts the idea of the Jedi ending at a whole new level. They become something else. Not light. Not dark.

Then they're not really Jedi any more, are they? JINO, maybe...

I get it, “once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.” But does it have to be that way?

But is it a good idea to throw that out? Is it necessary?

That perhaps keeping each other in check is how you maintain balance.

It's the balance of the Force, not the balance of the Force-users.

if she dies

That would seem to be a fairly safe assumption.