Also, if we now have future Burnham using the suit, she's also going to appear in th 23rd century, and Sarek will also be connected to her as well. So you have to wonder, how many future Burnhams has he encountered?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"
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Also, if we now have future Burnham using the suit, she's also going to appear in th 23rd century, and Sarek will also be connected to her as well. So you have to wonder, how many future Burnhams has he encountered?
Oh god, hopfully not!
I actually liked the arc pretty much myself. I just don't like the consequences of it - specifically that they took away his fear. Hell, it would have been pretty interesting to have a damn predator who still has a strong fear-and-running-complex!
Otherwise I completely agree to the fullest!
I'm not sure, because in Project Daedalus Saru says directly that the footage of Spock murdering the doctor/guards was altered in exactly the same method as the footage of Admiral Patar. That implies they have a common origin, and a common oversight which the episode attributes to Control's non-human status.
Edit: Off show, I wouldn't be surprised if the Spock murder allegation was supposed to be something else entirely in the third episode. Though Control was already name dropped in the same episode, so perhaps this section of the show was always going according to plan.
Most people who have cats are pretty familiar with that kind of creature. The only predators who don't have that kind of instinct are apex predators.
But no proof that capacity isn't already available to Section 31 in general before hand. They already have access to all sorts of fancy shit the Feds generally don't. We already have some pretty convincing CGI technology and this is 200+ years in the future.
But they did have time to have a meeting?
Come on. Those shields could have been battered down in moments. Under a minute. We have all watched enough Trek to know that. You are just being obtuse.
Disco is no match for ENT without spore jumps. And as others have said, just break the thing while you are on it.
Lastly, Control (and Disco) are already conscious by any definition. And a threat. Sending DISCO to the future won't change that. The whole arc is ridiculous.
My assumption is the Sarek/Amamda scene was probably supposed to be holographic, but they decided it would have better emotional impact if they were physically present, even if maybe it was a little clunky plotwise. At least we got to see Sarek's ship actually leave, instead of disappearing mysteriously as usual, lol.
And now you're down to slinging verbal abuse. Have fun with that.
So pretty much we can agree that Sphere Data is Zora? Sphere Data is protecting itself, integrated with ship systems, acts in its best interests. It's AI. So it's gotta be Zora, right? Am I missing anything here?
ENT is the flagship. It can outrun and outgun DISCO easily.
Even if it runs or fights back, without Stamets, ENT wins easily.
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I must admit I do appreciate a bit of suffering.
It gives me a little lift.
I am a bit Terran in that regard.
Funnily enough I also like the smell of Napalm in the morning as well.
Why do you assume either one will? (I honestly believe that IF they do a story of the U.S.S. Discovery in Season 3; at some point they will return to the 23rd century again. I don't think they're going to pull an 'alternate timeline reshape of history' trope to explain why TOS looks like it does - they are and have been saying "Look, this is the TOS era now".)
And yes, while (if you look at my posting history) I'm honestly annoyed with the exterior 1701 CGI model nacelle struts design (I have trouble believing that the ship when from the straight single strut look in "The Cage" to this look, then BACK to "The Cage" look for TOS S1 - "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and then the look we all know - and I STILL LOVE - for the rest of TOS - well, TOS 'remastered' -
)I'm an old school fan who's loved Star Trek since I first saw it on NBC (in 1969 - I was 6 years old); and I GET that for what they were going for they need to 'modernize' the look of some aspects for 2019.
I LOVE what they did for the interior of the 1701 Bridge in this episode; and I think they did a much better redress of the Discovery corridor sets to make them more 'Starship/Constitution' class than the Door to Spock's quarters in ST: D S2 - "Brother"...
But sorry, I have never understood the problem anyone had with the TOS era Starship/Constitution exterior model as it looked great in ENT S4 - "In A Mirror Darkly 1 & 2" (Yes, it was the TOS era U.S.S. Defiant but still a Starship/Constitution Class ship); and it looked well re-rendered in TOS Remastered.
And again, I'm okay with the majority of the changes they did for the exterior model of the 1701 Enterprise - with the exception of those nacelle struts. Why they felt the need to go so overboard on that element with BOTH a 'spilt' in the center AND the 'swept back' look that's more akin to the ST:TMP 1701 Refit model is beyond me.
I could have accepted a straight 'split' nacelle strut OR a whole 'swept back' nacelle strut but for me, the combo of the two elements was just too much/going overboard just to be 'different' here.
And I find it annoying since I feel the NAILED their update/'modernized for 2019 cinema aesthetics' interior 1701 Ship's Bridge set.
But...that's me
[And sorry, I ranted a bit more than even I expected here]
ALTERNATE TIMELINE!But, but, but.... they look like Lemon Drops, Cinnamon Hots and Jolly Ranchers, NOT GUMDROPS!!!!
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Just watched the show and loved it, gave it a 9/10 but only because I am reserving the 10 for next week just in case.
The episode worked well for me, there were a couple of leaps in places but it was mainly to keep the momentum going and there was a lot to fit in to fully set everything up for next week's finale so it's understandable.
Was that a slight smirk I saw on Pikes face when he said "What Mirror Universe", he clearly had already been told.
It's all been covered in the thread already but I will touch on a few things:
1. Burnham is the real Red Angel, I don't think anyone was really surprised about that.
2. A lot can happen in a battle we shall see how many actually end up going to the future with Burnham and the Discovery, if Spock does go that will give away quite a bit about their chances of coming back as we know he does.
3. What exactly is Tyler up to at the end there when he says he has something he needs to do.
The episode worked well for me, there were a couple of leaps in places but it was mainly to keep the momentum going and there was a lot to fit in to fully set everything up for next week's finale so it's understandable.
Was that a slight smirk I saw on Pikes face when he said "What Mirror Universe", he clearly had already been told.
It's all been covered in the thread already but I will touch on a few things:
1. Burnham is the real Red Angel, I don't think anyone was really surprised about that.
2. A lot can happen in a battle we shall see how many actually end up going to the future with Burnham and the Discovery, if Spock does go that will give away quite a bit about their chances of coming back as we know he does.
3. What exactly is Tyler up to at the end there when he says he has something he needs to do.
Not in this time period.
The only Enterprises ever called the flagship in dialogue was the Ent-D, the Mirror NX-01 and the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise.
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That depends on a couple of things, how successful they are in keeping the AI away from the data and what effects that will have on the events triggered by the AI in the future.
It won't stay exactly the same, it can't as their actions should lead to the AI never evolving in the future thus it can't come back to the past and attack Pike and Tyler's shuttle etc etc.
It remains to be seen how it will be handled and what the knock on effects will be.
Even assuming that Enterprise could outrun and outgun Discovery "easily," why are we acting like this would just be a "normal" ship battle with no outside factors? We aren't talking simply about a battle between two ships. We are talking about a battle that would have to be concluded in a matter of minutes before the Section 31 fleet arrived, with the wildcard being that the characters having no clue what else the sphere data may do or go with Discovery. Even if Discovery fled and the Enterprise pursued, for all we know some or all of the Section 31 ships could outrun both the Enterprise and Discovery.
It was officially renewed after episode 6 streamed (just like the first season).
I'm pretty certain they designed things with the idea that they WOULD get a Season 3 - and if they didn't get a Season 3; CBS might either pony up for a reshoot of some final episode scenes, OR the writers designed it in sch a way that whatever they have in there relating to Season 3 could have been edited out, with the episode up to that point making enough sense; and they then include the 'what would have been' scenes as extras on the Blu-Ray release.
Not all that random. He was assigned to the Babel Conference by his government. The Enterprise was assigned to pick up the Vulcan delegation. Not much he could do about it. Still he and Spock tried to keep an emotional, though not physical distance from each other.
She and Sarek must have the fastest ships in the quadrant. They should race.
