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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

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No, like most of the things in this plot, it doesn't make any sense either, but as those pieces need to be in those places for S3, that's what they do regardless. This is just bad storytelling, no way around that.

It would be bad writing if there was no precedent before this episode that the crew will go all in for their fellow crew. But we've been getting one after another after another that this is the case.
 
Then they returned on it, just like happened in the episode. But instead of their bizarro plan they could have just unplugged the power generators and destroyed the helpless Discovery then.

Which means their heart really isn't in it. They don't want to destroy their ship.
 
One of the most important core values of the Disco crew is they don't abandon their own. That was established in Brother and repeatedly driven home again and again over the course of season. Not sure how this can be a surprise to anyone at this point that they have taken it to heart.
It's basically a suicide mission.
 
Yeah, I mean there is nothing here to have a major opinion one way or the other about. Yeah the Enterprise visuals are nice, but that's it. Those who graded this episode a 10, what are they going to grade the next one? Another 10? So how can you say you have an objective opinion if all episodes you grade end up a 10. You can't possibly have every single episode in ANY show be graded always the same.
How do you know the same people are always grading a 10?
 
Then they returned on it, just like happened in the episode. But instead of their bizarro plan they could have just unplugged the power generators and destroyed the helpless Discovery then.

And then the ship electrocutes anyone who moves to touch anything that harms it. Or de-activates the gravplating, or any other little thing to stop tiny delicate meatbags going near high energy systems.

There was nothing they could do in so little time after finding the ship could (and would) turn anything on board against them.
 
That was wonderful. Goosebumps at the 1701 parts. I somehow missed where the Enterprise showed up between the last episode and this, but whatever.

Looks like they will be jumping ahead. I really hope that it won't be permanent, as some people are suggesting. It would honestly make the show a little less interesting for me, taking it out of a Trek era I love most and dumping it into a far future that may be unrecognizable as Trek to me. But I'm here for the ride.

And while I have a general suspicion about where this is going, I have no idea how some of this is going to get resolved. It's nice not knowing.
 
One aspect of modern warfare which seems missing to me (I may have missed it) is cyberwarfare. The capacity of developing a virus to cripple an enemy computer. It seems the focus here is on conventional warfare. I would find it surprising that there are organics operating the Section 31 ships. I would think they have been turned into drone ships by Control, who had their crews murdered Is the NI-1101 in the battle fleet, or was it destroyed?
 
Antagonising DSC's sentient core may have eventually caused it to fire back or jump away without them.
Yeah, the glanced over the whole thing how they got back onto Discovery. Enterprise just fired on it. The sphere data raised the damn shields. How and when did it lower them so that the crew got back? Is sphere data now AI? Able to know who the good and bad guys are and let the good guys back on the ship?
 
And then the ship electrocutes anyone who moves to touch anything that harms it. Or de-activates the gravplating, or any other little thing to stop tiny delicate meatbags going near high energy systems.

There was nothing they could do in so little time after finding the ship could (and would) turn anything on board against them.

Honestly, I do not think they really want to destroy the ship. And they know that time travel is possible. This is a crew that's been through some crazy impossible stuff.
 
In no way are Sarek, Amanda, and Georgiou "main cast."

I would call Georgiou semi-main. Michelle Yeoh is in the Opening Credits in any episode she's in. I haven't done a count, but I'd also say she's probably been in more than half the episodes this season.
 
Honestly, I do not think they really want to destroy the ship.

Well not now, that's why they plan to send it to the future where it can live and...fly around or something. The ship being self aware now grants it some protections under Starfleet code of conduct.
 
Yeah, the glanced over the whole thing how they got back onto Discovery. Enterprise just fired on it. The sphere data raised the damn shields. How and when did it lower them so that the crew got back? Is sphere data now AI? Able to know who the good and bad guys are and let the good guys back on the ship?

It probably always was.
 
Yeah - to be honest, what they did to Saru was quite mind-boggling! Like, I loved the episode itself. But it has been a tremendous dis-service for the character since then.

I actually really liked "prey"-Saru. That was a completely new, and neat concept. And it was actually great to see someone overcoming his fear and instincts, and work as a completely functional being and officer regardless. It was - by all means and purposes - what made him special.

Taking that away from him, was IMO akin to taking away Spock's logic. Or Worf's honour-fetish. Like, yeah, some things were handled a bit clunky (like the "fear boner"). But so were Spock and Worf early on. I just wish they'd have actually sticked to the concept, and got better at it! Instead - Saru now has nothing that makes him special anymore. The only thing saving him is the fantastic acting. But apart from that, he acts like any other Officer would. Esentially, he lost his unique perspective on the world. That was such a shame.

Heh. I thought I was liking the arc, but you may have convinced me it's actually bad!

When they were reviewing the sphere data on Kaminar, there was that line about how the Kelpiens were originally the predator species. I was hoping/assuming going forward, that would be his unique point of view they're now exploring. There have been things like the Hirogen arc on Voyager, but we've never had a regular Trek alien described as being from a predator species before (though obviously there's some conceptual overlap with Worf being from a warrior species, but they could differentiate the two)

But you're right, they seem to be moving away from the aggression Saru was exhibiting in the immediate aftermath of the change, and making him a more standard-issue officer. Maybe we'll never hear about the predator angle again.

And either way -- they could make good story from where they are now, but they have already allowed a better story to get away from them.

A statement which could describe so many aspects of this show!
 
One that he didn't share with Starfleet. :eek:

Why would he? And tell them what, exactly?

He gets a premonition that Burnham is going to leave? Or be gone? Soon. How does that help SF?

OK Sarek, our officers could die at any time, thanks for the update!

A lot of stuff bothers me about this show, the Sarek/Amanda thing in this episode is not one of them.

Furthermore, in this instance, the criticisms do not seem well thought out. Nowhere in the ep does it say WHEN Sarek gets the prem (or exactly what). So all the time/notify criticisms do not make much sense to me.

Unless I missed something in the ep. Will re-watch.
 
No, that's not correct. The first action that is attributable to Control is framing Spock for murder with doctored footage. We first hear about the murder accusation in third episode (Point of Light). Therefore Control was compromised to some degree well before Airiam was hacked by the future probe.
I'm not sure we can attribute that to Control, might have just been S31 trying to get at Spock for his red signal knowledge before Control took over.
 
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