And Discovery could have started to attack Enterprise as well, if its shields were going to fail.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"
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Yep. I can't engage with the plot. People are just saying and doing things that blatantly make no sense, even within the made up parameters of the story.
The whole point was to burn out the core and destroy the data. Saru's lines as he and Pike boarded the Enterprise supports the idea he deliberately spent time planning a destruction pattern that used all of the ships internal power grid. All of the ships systems were left intact because no one knew it was self aware.
And we have no idea how long it would have taken to get through the shields, one more volley and the ship would have re-engaged other systems and at the very least, tried to dodge attacks making it a lot harder to do. Or just warped away and had them chasing their own ship for days.
They could not have known that the ship was alive, or that it could override the destruction sequence and protect itself. You don't waste time breaking the legs of something you don't think can run away in the first place.
Terraleasium is supposedly some kind of sanctuary from it. It never developed a technological level high enough to show up in Control's crosshairs, thanks to Pike's strict-interpretation-ism. They better make a new stained glass window to him, Burnham, and Owo on their church wall.
Assuming Control can't be everywhere at once, it might only activate later on to wipe out any further threat identified or deal with the rare incursion from outside the galaxy (Sorry Kelvans). Life is all over the place in the Trek universe. Assuming the Drake Equation, that would be 40 billion worlds (not counting non-carbon life like the microbrain, crystalline entity, Tholians etc) . Even given hundreds of years Control just might not get around to wiping out a hick civilization like New Eden.
I have wondered when the Sphere data is going to be a bit more proactive about all this
What is the evidence that 23rd century Control was "arranging circumstances" before the probe from the future arrives?
Control is not that clear to me either. Like was it bad in the present and only got worse via the thing (itself?) from the future?
Really doesn't matter to me.
I found that everyone going with Burnham really kinda sapped the poignancy of the moment. From one person bravely doing what needed doing to "gosh, the whole gang." Meh. In past iterations of this overused trope (that's redundant, eh?) it was beneficial to have a team along to help. This ep, for a few moments, seemed to say Burnham-suit-and Disco would have worked with just those three elements. Am I wrong? Does she need all the buddies? Sure seemed like a S3 set-up without a real reason, as others have noted.
Also, once again, there is no sense of urgency. There's S31 ships coming NOW, but we're gonna go to our cabins and pick mementos? Or have that meaningful talk about our relationship? Or record goodbyes? Move, people!
Really doesn't matter to me.
I found that everyone going with Burnham really kinda sapped the poignancy of the moment. From one person bravely doing what needed doing to "gosh, the whole gang." Meh. In past iterations of this overused trope (that's redundant, eh?) it was beneficial to have a team along to help. This ep, for a few moments, seemed to say Burnham-suit-and Disco would have worked with just those three elements. Am I wrong? Does she need all the buddies? Sure seemed like a S3 set-up without a real reason, as others have noted.
Also, once again, there is no sense of urgency. There's S31 ships coming NOW, but we're gonna go to our cabins and pick mementos? Or have that meaningful talk about our relationship? Or record goodbyes? Move, people!
But they did know after Burnham told them! And then they still had an hour, and they were able to return on Discovery. Break the generators (shouldn't be hard, they break all the time by accident), then photon the ship. There's a lot of antimatter on board, nothing would survive. Or if you suspect that somehow illogically something could survive that, tow the ship to a sun (they were near one.) And if you need more time, just spore jump away and plan again, as many times as you need.
Yeah, I mean there is nothing here to have a major opinion one way or the other about. Yeah the Enterprise visuals are nice, but that's it. Those who graded this episode a 10, what are they going to grade the next one? Another 10? So how can you say you have an objective opinion if all episodes you grade end up a 10. You can't possibly have every single episode in ANY show be graded always the same.
Yeah, it's really problematic that technobabble replaces the story progression at this point. "We have to jump to the future to save the universe, but we can only do this after this timer runs out during the battle right before we are defeated" - "Why?" -"Because technobabble - trust us!"
When it's used well, technobabble simply replaces science-speak in an otherwise logically built plot. "We can't beam through the shields because tech tech. But if we tech tech, we can actually send a small tricorder through, and then you can try to deactivate the shields from within". It doesn't replace the narrative or resolve the plot - they could have gotten the tricorder through in another way as well - but just speeds up the boring parts of the plot.
That's sadly not the case here. Whatever happens in the season finale - it isn't motivated by plot or characters. Instead there is a fixed outcome which characters and events are supposed to be at which place in the end, and technobabbel is used as an excuse to get everyone there.
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No, like most of the things in this plot, it doesn't make any sense either, but as those pieces need to be in those places for S3, that's what they do regardless. This is just bad storytelling, no way around that.
Whoop de doo, they knew after the ship aborted the self destruct, raised it's shields and powered up. What then?
If they fired again, the ship would have left the system. Discovery powered down shields and weapons when they came back onboard, it didn't want a fight, so the only other option would have been it running.
There really wasn't even technobabble explanations for many of the baffling decisions. Though technobabble is out of hand too. Apparently spore drive can now create supernova level energy the suit needs, or something...
I had no issue with the montage of people writing letters to loved ones before a confrontation. It has happened in the real world and under similar time constraints, minutes instead of hours or days.
There is still the mystery of the other two signals. Will they make an appearance in the next episode?
There is still the mystery of the other two signals. Will they make an appearance in the next episode?
No, that's not correct. The first action that is attributable to Control is framing Spock for murder with doctored footage. We first hear about the murder accusation in third episode (Point of Light). Therefore Control was compromised to some degree well before Airiam was hacked by the future probe.
Yeah, DISCOVERY's first season was so poorly received that CBS decided to create 5 or 6 others shows based on its performance.
It seems pretty clear there is no time left for them in the season. But if Michael was the Red Angel who sent the signals, we'll possibly see the setup for the other two red bursts next season.
The logical 23rd century ship to explore them is the Enterprise, but this doesn't jibe with Anson Mount saying he's not going to be on Discovery next season.
Yeah, DISCOVERY's first season was so poorly received that CBS decided to create 5 or 6 others shows based on its performance.
And gave it two more seasons. I may not like the show, but it's a stable product in CBS' lineup, as is the franchise right now.
One of the most important core values of the Disco crew is they don't abandon their own. That was established in Brother and repeatedly driven home again and again over the course of season. Not sure how this can be a surprise to anyone at this point that they have taken it to heart.
Then they returned on it, just like happened in the episode. But instead of their bizarro plan they could have just unplugged the power generators and destroyed the helpless Discovery then.
That was my favourite scene.
