Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"
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Yeah. Other Trek shows had major retools as well - DS9's "Way of the Warriour" was essentialy an entire second pilot episode, ENT's Xindi-arc changed up the entire series, and even VOY kinda' retooled with "Basics I&II" to a darker tone.
But if they actually do this - go into the future to stay there - holy shit would that be an unprecedented re-vamp! I don't think I like that - that's akin to bringing the Voyager home, or completely putting the DS9-crew on a starship in the middle of the series. A complete admission they weren't able to handle the original concept.
And I think that would be just a shame. I think the first half of season 2 really showed the show CAN work as intended! They just don't have to go all-in on everything - a simple over-arching mystery and character arcs would have been completely sufficient.I don't want them to scrap the prequel concept entirely! I just wanted them to get a bit of a better grasp at it! Which they even did! Argh.
This is true. I have higher expectations for the third season because it will be the first time we'll be able to see an arc completely fleshed out on Discovery without having to deal with the dregs of someone who has since been fired. I think she really has a chance to make things shine and provide new relevance to the show in the soon-to-be-crowded Trek lineup. But it's just a shot.
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It also enables them to have a life outside of the set as well.
Plus the advantage of having tighter scripts with less temptation to add filler in each season.
Mount is mostly known for Inhumans were he was great but the whole premise of the show just didnt work which was no fault of his.
Romjjin-Stamos is mostly known for The Librarians which was solid and had a fair run but it never really hit the big time.
What many do not realise is that most actors would kill for a long term gig like NCIS or Big Bang Theory, yet will never get it however much they may deserve it, others are offered the parts but turn them down never realising what they would become until it is too late.
Yeah, it's tough to keep up with Hollywood marriages and divorces
Mount was mostly known for Hell on Wheels, which ran for 5 seasons. Rebecca Romijn hasn't been Stamos for a decade, and has been regularly employed in various series since she broke big as the first and best) Mystique from the X-man Films.
Yeah, it's tough to keep up with Hollywood marriages and divorces
She's been married to Jerry O'Connell for a number of years.
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I think its fair to say that the original plan for Discovery back in the beginning is far removed from what we have now both in tone and delivery, due to the various changes that occurred in production and the relatively poor response to S1.
Perhaps these things had to happen to ensure that any future shows that come after will be all the better for the lessons learned.
Season Two of Discovery has seen a marked improvement over Season One and I expect that upward curve to continue into Season Three.
Less talk about being holier than thou with more action to back it up and the show is all the better for it.
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Yeah, it's tough to keep up with Hollywood marriages and divorces
Like I said earlier you lot tend to obsess... err I mean keep up with this sort of thing more than I do.
Not enough hours in the day etc etc.
Hell on Wheels was a bit like Librarians, it was solid but never really took off like some shows have.
Please, the show is about the characters and the ship first, anything else is just where they happen to go.
According to what we heard Fuller wanted the show to take place in separate eras. Going to the future would just be part of taking that idea and making one group of characters do this. The idea that's its any kind of admission of "not being able to handle" the original concept is a fever dream of those who have been protesting the show from day one.
Discovery is built on a story a season format. So this idea is the equivalent of saying that a Star Trek show that does a war story, then a evil computer story, then a time travel story in succession is scrapping the whole concept of the show, which is a ridiculous assumption.
I will always remember her as Romijn-Stamos. Saying just "Romijn" always seemed weird to me.
Eh, I dunno. Whatever the original intent, Discovery has no core concept any longer, other than it's a narrowly focused show with Michael Burnham as the protagonist. Thematically speaking a time jump is just fine for that reason.
And they could use the exact same more developed storytelling techniques to tell 23rd century tales on the Pike show.
I was not one of those people. I always knew despite the flaws of season 1, it would get a second season, because CBS wanted to revive the Trek franchise, and Discovery was the only tool they had for that. Even if CBS was unhappy with the series (and I have no reason to think they were) if they canned it they'd have to wait another two years minimum to get their shit together to pilot another series.
That's no longer the case though. The Picard show is coming, as is Lower Decks. A Pike show may be coming, along with the Section 31 show. Plus various Short Treks, and the other animated Trek series which is going to be on Nickelodeon. And who knows - within another year or so - how many other projects (shorts, miniseries, etc) will be in production. Basically, if one or more of the new Trek series takes off, and is actually more successful with viewers than Discovery, it eliminates a lot of the rationale of keeping Discovery going. Indeed, one could argue that given how much Trek is coming down the pike (no pun intended) that it makes sense each individual series runs for a shorter period of time, with new series being cycled in to replace the old ones.
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That Jerry Connell has pulled well since his time in Sliders.
That Jerry Connell has pulled well since his time in Sliders.
Well, she couldn't Romijn Stamos, but she has been able to Romijn with O'Connell
Linus is the smartest one of the bunch. What the heck is the point of this pseudo-suicide mission? The ship should be fine on its own, although I guess it's nice that a few people are going. I mean, it's sad about Michael and all, but I'm with Tyler on this one.
I broadly agree here. I mean, I've not liked where the arc has been going at all this season, but it's much better than the first season - particularly when it comes to characterization - and I expect it will get even better in the third season.
If only they knew how to properly construct a season arc that made sense. Better luck next time.
I like your optimism! I hope this comes to pass, but I think it's premature to conclude the churn has finally settled (I had the same exact expectations for season 2 at this point in the production cycle). God only knows what issues may be simmering below the surface that could explode next season, leading to yet more firings.
