Course Oblivion, the topic episode is default reference no?
Course Oblivion opinions?
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Is that the one where Voyager get's drafted into an alien battlefleet?
Yep, that's the one.
I haven't watched -- or wanted to watch -- this episode since the original airing. If memory serves, there were parts of it that were well done, but that ending sucked all the joy out of me for hours. I can handle watching tragedy if it's well-done, but futility is more than I can stand.
I'm wondering why is it that no one started chocking the 2nd they left the planet just like the copy of Tom and Harry Kim in the first episode with these copies? I would normally just say 'well they musta changed the atmosphere in the ship so they can breathe, but when this copy crew was getting sick and they found out why the doctor said something like 'i'll change our air to mimic the demon class planet.'
i could be way off on my quote but the idea was that they didnt have the atmosphere in the ship mimic the planet before...only now when they found out they are copies. And lets just say some how it was the same already as the planet didn't they at any point go on an away mission and land on a planet? the 2nd someone got off voyager and breathed the air of whatever planet they would of chocked.
Hope i'm making sense.
i could be way off on my quote but the idea was that they didnt have the atmosphere in the ship mimic the planet before...only now when they found out they are copies. And lets just say some how it was the same already as the planet didn't they at any point go on an away mission and land on a planet? the 2nd someone got off voyager and breathed the air of whatever planet they would of chocked.
Hope i'm making sense.
I love it but in it doesn't Janeway mention events of past adventures which makes me think that we have watched this ship for a few episodes besides this one. Make of that what you will but that's how I feel.
The problem with that theory is Tom and B’elana’s romance was much farther along in the other ship and we’d notice it.
One thing I found curious... in her log, she mentions one of the crew having a baby. Assuming they mimic the same biology, that's 9 months after the original crew left the Demon planet, and that is assuming they conceived directly after.
Things obviously progressed further for that crew than the original. I wonder if that is because something internally KNEW of their limited nature that they would have a bigger lust for life and live it even more fully.
It would certainly explain that pregnancy and why Tom and B'Elanna got married almost two years before they actually do.
Things obviously progressed further for that crew than the original. I wonder if that is because something internally KNEW of their limited nature that they would have a bigger lust for life and live it even more fully.
It would certainly explain that pregnancy and why Tom and B'Elanna got married almost two years before they actually do.
Or, OR...it was the guy who died in One who conceived the child.
THAT is a good theory.
Absolutely love this episode. Top 10. Once we find out it was a duplicate crew, the danger is that the audience would stop caring about the duplicate crew`s struggle to survive. I was rooting for this crew to get their message to the real Voyager crew. I was rooting for the real crew to get there in time. Even though it didn`t happen, the struggle was valiant. I think this episode is reflective of a thought I`ve had as I grow older: I want to be remembered when I`m dead and gone, and to have some kind of legacy. I guess I wanted that for the duplicate crew too.
But the people and planets that crew helped will remember them. Obviously, we don't know how many or how much, but given they are copies of our crew, this is a very likely scenario.
That's something, at least.
That's something, at least.
And the debris field..... Voyager's sensors didn't tell them it was goo people particles.
Didn't they have an enhanced warp drive that could bring them home in a few years? Perhaps as a result of that they were already somewhat farther along .... Would be nice if the real voyager turned up in a region they just reached, only to hear: you guys again, you left over 3 months ago! Why did you return? Would be a nice mystery for them
True, but they could have taken a different route than the original crew. They may never have gone through that Mutara class nebula in "ONE", or that dark zone in "NIGHT". They definitely didn't get with Arturis in "HOPE AND FEAR", which led to the original crew to build their own version of that slipstream in "TIMELESS". And they likely never stole a Borg coil like in "DARK FRONTIER".
All those episodes had spots where the ship travels a good distance, and it's certainly likely the copies interacted with people in those areas that were passed over. Who knows what could have been found in those spots... wormholes, races with better engines/technology, other anomalies, or just found material that helped them create that new drive we saw in "COURSE: OBLIVION".
All those episodes had spots where the ship travels a good distance, and it's certainly likely the copies interacted with people in those areas that were passed over. Who knows what could have been found in those spots... wormholes, races with better engines/technology, other anomalies, or just found material that helped them create that new drive we saw in "COURSE: OBLIVION".
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