Indeed. I could enjoy the Kelvin films on their own but knowing what I did about the characters had all the more impact for me watching it.
Has the Red Angel moved the show out of the Prime Universe?
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By that standard, they could claim that the Abrams films are Prime tomorrow and we’d have to just accept it. I’ll just watch the show and make my determination based on what I see.
Well, parody only makes sense in relation to the thing being parodied.
Yes they could, but it's unlikely.
That's not how it works. But you are free to do so.
Since I don't consider it a parody I will have to disagree. But, I am sure this is a MMV point.
Why is it not how it works? All the time people consume the same items and come away with different impressions of the work. Why is Prime now this ironclad claim that will bear no dissent?
"Dissent" is fine, you don't have to like it and are allowed to express that dislike. But determining what's "real" in a fictional world is up to the author. That's their job. Your "job" is to watch, read or listen and decide if you like it.
Certainly you're familiar with the concept 'the Death of the Author'?
It isn't about "like" or "dislike", it is about each individual interpreting what is put out there.
I don't think so. The author, director, musician loses control of what it means once it is put out to an audience. The audience decides how the work speaks to them, if it does at all.
Star Trek is the property of CBS. Even if that wasn't the case, Rod Roddenberry represents Gene Roddenberry. He's not in the writer's room, but he's complicit with what's being done on Discovery. If Rod feels strongly against what's being done, he can speak up or -- at the very least -- disassociate himself from the series.
Gene Roddenberry, for all his complaints, never walked away from the Executive Consultant title for the TOS Movies because he liked the paycheck that came with that position, even if his say meant next to nothing. So he didn't believe in his objections strongly enough that he'd refuse any type of credit besides "Based on Star Trek created by Gene Roddenberry".
That's something different.
What that has to do with anything?
The very short answer is, yes.
In fact, I would say no one timeline could objectively be called "prime." That we identify TOS as "Prime" is purely subjective based solely on the fact that it was the one introduced to us first. In actuality it could be reality 12,363,487. As hinted in "The Red Angel" even an alien race could have caused a divergence without even knowing or interacting with humanity or Starfleet.
As for "Discovery" specifically? Also, very possible. They could have started in the prime, but who knows where they'll end it.
It means that Rod Roddenberry isn't objecting to what's being done on Discovery. If anyone can say "This isn't what Gene would've wanted!" it's him. Not anyone here. Let me repeat that and bold it: If anyone can say "This isn't what Gene would've wanted!" it's him. NOT anyone here. If he did have objections, he didn't believe in what he said strongly enough to walk away from the series. He's getting credit as an Executive Producer.
No one here speaks for Gene Roddenberry now that he's dead. Rod Roddenberry does. As long as he's an Executive Producer, he's officially onboard with what's being done.
His relationship with Gene was strained while alive, so I'm not sure even he knows what he would have found acceptable.
I think it is. The authors are constructing the fictional story/universe. And fiction by its very nature is mutable. That you do not like a "mutation" don't change the fact that this new information is now part of the story.From everything I've seen and read over the years, it isn't that different.
he is still a far more credible source of "what Gene would have wanted" than anybody here ever will be.
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