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Spoilers Do you think the original main arc was scrapped once Berg/Harberts left?

Do you think the main arc was scrapped once Berg/Harberts left?

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 55.7%
  • No

    Votes: 27 44.3%

  • Total voters
    61
But yeah, you don't hire the writers of shitty envangelical Christian movies for your series if you're not going to heavily lean into that. .

None of the writers involved in those first two episodes or the fired show runners have credits on Christian Movies, shitty or otherwise. Where exactly is your assumption here coming from, because i can't find any reference that supports this claim of yours their collective IMDB CVs.

Who exactly involved in this show has ever written Christian movies, shitty or otherwise?
 
I do love how we're trusting these guys with the "Prime" timeline...

According to series showrunner Alex Kurtzman, the concept of belief was in mind as a theme from the very beginning of planning for Discovery season two. “In the original series, religion doesn’t exist,” he says. “Yet, faith is something that has always been a major topic in different ways. The idea of this mystery that has no answer immediately suggests a presence or force greater than anything anyone has ever known. It was really intriguing to us.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-how-discovery-brought-faith-franchise-1178661
 
Yeah, because they answered a specific question with a specific answer. The assumption that Trek has never played with faith and belief in many different ways over the course of the last 50 years is trying to put a bathtub's worth of water in a coffee cup.

Kurtzman also believes fans had a hard time telling DS9 and Voyager apart.
 
***Patiently awaits the declarations of how wrong I am as well as something about heresy.

Nothing about heresy, but they do have a chapel on the Enterprise and McCoy for one says they come from a land of many beliefs.
 
Good god. You know, I will defend "Spock's brain" and "Threshold" unto my grave. Yes, both are stupidly silly, break continuity, logic sense and the last bit of suspension of disbelief. But let's be honest: They were also totally amazingly bonkers and creative, and Star Trek as a whole would be so much poorer without them.

These episodes here though? Yeah. They're absolute garbage.
I will always defend TOS S3 - "Spock's Brain" because it gav us the line: "BRAIN AND BRAIN! WHAT IS BRAIN!" <--- (IMO) literary genius...

ST: V's - "Threshold" (which I only watched when I commented that I couldn't watch Voyager after "The 37's" and she re;plied, no, you haven't seen the worst episode in all of Star trek to date. If you want to see it, it's called "Threshold" -- so yeah, curiosity got the best of me; and to this day, I maintain my friend was right.
^^^
And I wouldn't call ripping off a drive from Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (aka The Infinite Improbability Drive) and adding it to a Holodeck simulation...and further positing that Humans final and most advanced evolutionary form will be a Salamander; nor that as a result of being turned into HIGHLY EVOLVED Salamanders that the Captain will decide - "Hey, I'll have sex with my Helmsman (who's also a Salamander) and create baby Salamanders...

'Creative' IN ANY WAY - utterly nonsensical and STUPID...YES. 'Creative'...NO! ;)
 
A lot of people confuse "faith" with "religion" it seems. And believing that there is a grand design to the universe and a deeper purpose to life (for example) is sometimes different than believing in a structured religion with a specific deity, although they are obviously not mutually exclusive. Nothing wrong with believing in either (or neither), by the way. I fully respect everyone's beliefs on this subject. I simply don't like having them imposed or having one belief be presented as the "right way" to think. That's where people need to back down.

But, how do you answer it? Science is real. No evidence for faith. And, if there was evidence, it would not longer be "faith." There's just nowhere to go with it. Sure, great question for individuals to ponder but no real answer for a show like ST.

I'm glad they deemphasized that aspect.

Just because it doesn't have a clear-cut answer doesn't mean it isn't a concept worth exploring. The exploration of the ideas therein, and the impacts that exploration has on the characters is what matters...not any "answers" some Hollywood writer wants to supply or impose (like any of them have any fucking idea anyway haha). A very well-crafted exploration of the topic (which is frigging rare, btw), is one that will even help the audience to undergo their own exploration and maybe even find a bit more respect, understanding and tolerance for the beliefs of others.

I love DSC, and I've enjoyed it every week...but ultimately I don't think the writing team was up for that level of exploration of such a difficult topic. Admittedly, few are.

So, ultimately, perhaps I'm glad they dropped it too.
 
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Nothing about heresy, but they do have a chapel on the Enterprise and McCoy for one says they come from a land of many beliefs.
'Chapel'. It's a room for ceremonies. There literally are Atheist churches right now. And I think people will keep doing the ceremonies even though they have long since stopped believing the myths.
 
Who exactly involved in this show has ever written Christian movies, shitty or otherwise?

The writers with supposedly that kind of background that were added for 2nd season were Alan Mcelroy and Vaun Wilmott (who co-wrote the 2nd episode). I haven't checked their background to see if this is true or not.
 
The writers with supposedly that kind of background that were added for 2nd season were Alan Mcelroy and Vaun Wilmott (who co-wrote the 2nd episode). I haven't checked their background to see if this is true or not.
Alan Mcelroy IMDB. Wide range of credits. Including entries in the Spawn and Halloween franchises.
Vaun Wilmott IMDB. Prison Break, Sons of Anarchy and Dominion, which I assume is the "Christian" thing?
 
Right. I was expecting the Preservers, mysterious and powerful, but biological aliens nevertheless.

I've been thinking some more about those two examples in my first post, and it's not the case that they break our reality, but that they break the rules of Star Trek's reality. Deliberately I think. First was the asteroid that couldn't be teleported by the Magic Save The Day device – you know, the transporter – a development presented as so shocking that it was used as the act break. Of course it didn't turn out to be magic, just a new scientific development that had to be understood, but it was something the Star Trek reality hadn't seen before. It took work to understand.

Then there was New Eden, where the inhabitants became more, not less, religious as a result of encountering advanced extraterrestrial intelligence. Trek has generally held to the idea that as humans expand into the Galaxy, we'll become more secular, and has implied that secularism is required for peace (see: Who Watches the Watchers, where the Minitakans are willing to commit human sacrifice as soon as they get religion). But in New Eden, the colonists are peaceful because they've blended their faiths.

Both of those challenge certain conventions that Trek relies on, and I don't think it was unintentional. IMO, it was a statement about where the season was headed, and I think it's probably poorer for choosing Space CIA vs. Skynet instead.
The Preservers and the First Federation are great, I have read all the Shatnerverse books and found them to be engaging and believable even though it was a case of blink and you will miss them.

Teaching the folly of the Prime Directive with no shits given.
 
Nothing about heresy, but they do have a chapel on the Enterprise and McCoy for one says they come from a land of many beliefs.
Beliefs are not the same as religions as religions tend to present more organizations, while beliefs can be as varied as the individual (and even within religions beliefs can vary).
 
It's Alan McElroy people were worried about. He wrote one of the Left Behind movies. (Or so said his IMDB back in 2017. I'm too lazy to double-check now.)

One adapted script twenty years ago. If his output since is any indication, I'd be more worried that he's a writer of schlocky b-action trash. As far as I can tell, I've worked on as many pseudo-religious scripts/novels/short stories as he has. And likely for the same reason. Someone was giving me money to do it. Not because I am the least bit a 'believer';.
 
Alan Mcelroy IMDB. Wide range of credits. Including entries in the Spawn and Halloween franchises.
Vaun Wilmott IMDB. Prison Break, Sons of Anarchy and Dominion, which I assume is the "Christian" thing?

I watched all of Dominion. It Christian by way of what you get by listening to an audiobook of the book of revelations while on magic mushrooms and watching all those bad Mad Max ripoffs from the 80s (and yes, not just two or three, all of them).

I that's not amusing enough, It was more popular with audiences than anything Syfy has had on the air in the last decade except for Defiance.
 
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