Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

[CommanderRaytas]

I have been reading the Memory Alpha page about Stigma (I didn't watch the episode) but, judging by the summary, it seems to me a little vague about prejudice based on sexual orientation...

Isn't it about HIV? That's what I got out of it, at least, but they do leave it somewhat up for interpretation.

 

[Skipper]

Isn't it about HIV? That's what I got out of it, at least, but they do leave it somewhat up for interpretation.

Yes, I was interested just because I watched very few episodes of Enterprise and this one was listed in the Wikipedia page about LBGT and Star Trek.

 

[Skipper]

BTW, It doesn't work very well as an allegory about HIV, because in the real world everyone can be infected, not only homosexuals while the Pa'nar Syndrome can be contracted only by the minority who was engaged in the prohibited practice of mind melding.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

BTW, It doesn't work very well as an allegory about HIV, because in the real world everyone can be infected, not only homosexuals while the Pa'nar Syndrome can be contracted only by the minority who was engaged in the prohibited practice of mind melding.

That's why it's questionable, although I like to think that they were trying to address marginalised groups that way - we at some point find out that way more people can meld, which pulls the rug from under the Vulcan bigots a bit. At least that's how I want to see it.

 

[Rhodan]

BTW, It doesn't work very well as an allegory about HIV, because in the real world everyone can be infected, not only homosexuals while the Pa'nar Syndrome can be contracted only by the minority who was engaged in the prohibited practice of mind melding.

Yeah, I guess they hard time to come up with issue of illness that is connected with minority in public eye and still making it sense in sci-fi context.

 

[Skipper]

That's why it's questionable, although I like to think that they were trying to address marginalised groups that way - we at some point find out that way more people can meld, which pulls the rug from under the Vulcan bigots a bit. At least that's how I want to see it.

Well, indeed an allegory doesn't need to be a literal representation of the subject it wants to tackle with just a few terms changed. The problem is when the latter and the former are so distant that the people talk more about the differences than the subject itself...

 

[Unimatrix Q]

He may be dead, but I don't think Control is done with Leland yet.

This look a lot like his hand from next weeks preview.

If it walks like a Borg, talks like a Borg...

 

[SG-17]

I wouldn't put it past these writers to make a time traveling Control the origin of the Borg.

 

[cultcross]

Well we know Pike will be exposed to Delta radiation. From the Delta quadrant! Borg confirmed!

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I wouldn't put it past these writers to make a time traveling control the origin of the Borg.

I am not fond of that idea.

Then who is the first Borg Queen? is it a resurrected Airiam?

 

[cultcross]

who is the first Borg Queen?

It's Star Trek Discovery.
It's Burnham.

 

[Timo]

Spock thinks all sentient life will be gone from the galaxy. The Borg would take umbrage with that, if guilty as charged. What are they, chopped liver?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[BillJ]

I wouldn't put it past these writers to make a time traveling control the origin of the Borg.

The novels already have humanity tied into the origins of the Borg. See the David Mack Destiny trilogy.

 

[XCV330]

as I recall the Borg were around at least a few millenia, but they didn't seem to do a whole lot during that time. Maybe there is something to that. The Borg start to really make advancements when they obtain a queen to put "order to chaos"

Isaacs and Krige ARE both working together on the O.A. ...

 

[Uhura's Song]

I am not fond of that idea.

Then who is the first Borg Queen? is it a resurrected Airiam?

God I hope not.

A lot of "plot logic" that did not compute in this episode (RA appearance = saving Burnham). Burnham punching Lealand.

All to set up the big reveal at the end of the episode.

More silliness in service an attempt at a payoff late. Though not nearly as bad as last week. A solid six.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Spock thinks all sentient life will be gone from the galaxy. The Borg would take umbrage with that, if guilty as charged. What are they, chopped liver?

Timo Saloniemi

Even if a hive mind is considered sentient, our heroes are averting that timeline, but Control escapes and creates the Borg instead.

 

[SG-17]

The novels already have humanity tied into the origins of the Borg. See the David Mack Destiny trilogy.

Considering that they already adapted a concept from the novels (Control itself) this just raises the possibility.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Spock thinks all sentient life will be gone from the galaxy. The Borg would take umbrage with that, if guilty as charged. What are they, chopped liver?

Timo Saloniemi

Only some of them.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Anyone remember when "Rejoined" was about creating the first artificial wormhole? These guys had a working, miniaturized version of the tech in an Iron Man suit more than 100 years earlier.

 

[Mr Awe]

Unfortunately i havent mentally cataloged all of the random background civilian clothing in the hundreds of hours broadcast to provide an answer.

Slacker!