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Red Angel Theories- Post Here

Speaking of Apple and cores how about that Kelvin Timeline Enterprise bridge and computer system?

And arises the perfect opportunity to mention this.

The escape pods are called Kelvin pods. Don't ask me why Kirk says that. He does in Beyond when ordering everyone to abandon ship.

Oh and yeah the Bridge loos like an Apple store
 
Random thought, but I wonder if we'll return to any of the following:

The supernova that Michael wanted to see.
Her parents' death.
The Xam Abathwa tribe's story.
The Cassini footage/photography.

Some of that is likely just scenery, but the Cassini footage still seems rather odd to me. Also, I'm increasingly sure that Michael's parents' death and the supernova will play some part in this season's mystery. Can't imagine how, though. There are clearly some leftover pieces that do not yet fit into the existing story as we are able to see it.

That said, my theory from a few weeks ago struggled to identify how Zora could emerge from Discovery, and 2x09 pretty much filled in those gaps should they go that way, so I guess a single episode can deliver a lot of answers. I hope that 2x10 doesn't end with something like, "And behind this door is...the Red Angel!" *Cut to black*.
 
My wife and I were kicking around a few different things today:

It's interesting that Alcor is an anagram of Lorca.

Part of the plot of the movie 'Funny Face' is Audrey Hepburn's character being interested in things empathetic.

The end of 'Calypso' reminded me of the end of 'Ship in a Bottle'.

The idea of Discovery suddenly being abandoned for an unknown reason is reminiscent of the story of the Mary Celeste.

We both have a significant amount of Native American blood in us and we ended our brainstorming session thinking that Reno could be the 'Red' angel, because she was on the Hiawatha. Then we got bawdy and said it could be Chakotay....or his long-lost sister, Chakotex. :lol:
 
You know, thinking about that Cassini footage makes me wonder if there is some connection to V'Ger, since both were human probes sent out.

Maybe the same intelligence that made V'Ger that way will do a similar thing to Cassini or another Earth probe, and turns into the Red Angel.

Hell, it might even combine Airiam and Cassini into Red Angel.
 
The escape pods are called Kelvin pods. Don't ask me why Kirk says that. He does in Beyond when ordering everyone to abandon ship.
The ones on the bridge were called Kelvin pods, the idea being that nobody would have to die in a repeat of the situation George Kirk did on the USS Kelvin.
 
The ones on the bridge were called Kelvin pods, the idea being that nobody would have to die in a repeat of the situation George Kirk did on the USS Kelvin.

OK in that case it's a brilliant name. there's logic behind it. Just when Kirk said it the first time I heard it it threw me a little, the very first time I saw Beyond.


With just 5 episodes left I don't see them revisiting that. I'm sure they'll do it next season.

I guess so. I get that feeling we may go back there in season 3 it's just that it feels like a huge loose end to me.
 
Thinking a bit more about Calypso, I don't think it makes sense if Discovery's just thrown into the future. Zora's behavior points to the ship really being deserted for a thousand years, given how lonely she was. So cue even more overthinking on my part.

I think Calypso takes place in the bad future the RA has shown to Spock, in which Control, now controlling the Federation (the V'Draysh) has almost succeeded in wiping out all sentient life in the known galaxy. Craft's homeworld, Alcor IV, is actually a colony of Terralysium which has achieved spaceflight during the previous millennium.

As the Discovery lays stranded for a thousand years, its computer, with all the Sphere's data and Airiam's memories in its system, eventually emerges as a sentient AI called Zora, and is completely, and utterly alone, watching dejectedly through her sensors as Control rampages throughout the galaxy for centuries. Craft's resolve to return to his family finally gives her the strength to find her way back home, and to avert Control taking over the galaxy. She sends messages to the past as the Red Angel (this might be what Project Daedalus is for), ensuring that Spock, Burnham and the Discovery take the steps necessary to ensure both her emergence and her means to transport Discovery back in time all by herself. It's a predestination paradox all over again. We hate those.

So, why does the first red burst lead them to a dark matter asteroid? Because, as Tilly theorizes, dark matter can be substituted for a navigator in the spore drive (which can be used for time travel). Due to the nature of the paradox, Zora wants to ensure the necessary data is in her memory banks.

This also gives a reason for her to displace 21st century civilians to Terralysium: it's far enough from Earth that Control might be unable to reach them in a thousand years. Especially if the only vessel with a working spore drive is stranded in that area too. She doesn't need Craft specifically, but she thinks a Calypso-Odysseus situation needed to happen to give her the necessary willpower to go home. She wants spacefaring humans in the vicinity who could wake her up and remind her of the crew she lost.

Going with this, the abandonment of Discovery might also happen as a desperate attempt to keep Control from taking it over and reverse-engineering the spore drive; they transport it deep into the Beta Quadrant, far beyond Control's reach.
 
OK I had a wild outlandish idea to explain the modified probe that came back from the future and all those ships that looked like machines in spock's visions?

What if Control in the future finds the nanite planet they seeded in TNG and co-opts that species to further its agenda? You know the planet they dumped Wesley's evolved nanites onto when his experiment messed up. TNG season 3 Evolution
 
I just hope some of the loose ends are tied up such as Saru's homeworld, kind of annoyed that has been just left there with no proper resolution.

Maybe the Ba’ul are the real galaxy destroyers, and the RA’s intention was to have the Kelpians wipe them out. The Ba’ul seemed to hate pretty much everybody, had advanced tech, and they look a little like the entity that killed Tasha, so no more Ba’ul.
 
Well apparently this weeks episode (S2-E10) will answer the question...
(this from TREKCORE)
THE RED ANGEL — Burnham is stunned when she learns her ties to Section 31 run deeper than she ever fathomed. Armed with the identity of the Red Angel, the U.S.S. Discovery goes to work on its most critical mission to date.

:vulcan:
 
Well apparently this weeks episode (S2-E10) will answer the question...
(this from TREKCORE)
THE RED ANGEL — Burnham is stunned when she learns her ties to Section 31 run deeper than she ever fathomed. Armed with the identity of the Red Angel, the U.S.S. Discovery goes to work on its most critical mission to date.

:vulcan:
It looks like I soon get to find out if I can finally make up a theory that's less than 95% off the mark.
 
Initially there was talk of science vs faith. So the producers may throw us a curve, and the RA is really an angel.

Interesting. Building on this, I wonder if there are actually two distinct entities at work here and both being called the Red Angel at this point.

I’ve always felt the RA Burnham saw in 2x01 had a truly ethereal quality and moved very differently to subsequent sightings, which seem to have been the mechanical suit edition. That could be stylistic choices, Burnham’s pain misting things, or...

...could the biggest reveal be that while there is a super tech RA suit going round the timeline, there is actually another being, perhaps connected, but wholly different, that is more divine? Ties it back to science and faith in a big way in the end.
 
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