Uhm, yeah I knew that. What made you think I didn't know that? It's called style. It's called Panache.
he-he, covered my backside on that one … waitasecond, SHIT! … is this still on? damnit.
Spoilers The Flash - Season 5
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Uhm, yeah I knew that. What made you think I didn't know that? It's called style. It's called Panache.
he-he, covered my backside on that one … waitasecond, SHIT! … is this still on? damnit.
Tonight's episode looks like it could be super good. Can't wait.
Grants best acting of the series when he told her he was sorry too. I felt that.
Once again, Nora's secretiveness hurts her. Thawne out and told her to tell everyone about him, but she hesitated too long and that left an opening for Sherloque to spin a more insidious-sounding version.
I realized halfway through the episode that Future Grace was going to kill Dwyer. She's totally trapped by her obsessive hate formed in childhood, and she hasn't grown mentally or emotionally since then.
The thing is, there's nothing stopping them now from curing the child Grace. They can't get her consent, but they have parental consent -- Dwyer's dying request to the Flash to save her. So that should be good enough.
Speaking of the cure, it's still weird that Cisco doesn't seem to want to take it even though he invented it for that exact purpose. Maybe he feels he needs to keep his powers until Cicada (either one) is dealt with at last.
I realized halfway through the episode that Future Grace was going to kill Dwyer. She's totally trapped by her obsessive hate formed in childhood, and she hasn't grown mentally or emotionally since then.
The thing is, there's nothing stopping them now from curing the child Grace. They can't get her consent, but they have parental consent -- Dwyer's dying request to the Flash to save her. So that should be good enough.
Speaking of the cure, it's still weird that Cisco doesn't seem to want to take it even though he invented it for that exact purpose. Maybe he feels he needs to keep his powers until Cicada (either one) is dealt with at last.
I have to say this episode played out largely like I thought and, not to be cynical, writing on The Flash is, uhm, "consistent." Dweyer being killed by Grace was a forgone conclusion after their first scene together in tonight's episode. The Flash is still fun to watch though.
Even with consent they couldn't give coma Grace the cure as they said her condition was too fragile. They wouldn't give it to adult Grace because she would have to give her permission.
I think they are doing a slow build to Cisco volunteering to take the cure. He has been lamenting the lack of normalcy almost all season.
I also keep hoping the news of Panabaker leaving is a red herring.
Once again, they drop the ball on the consent issue. Grace is a killer. Her powers are a weapon that she uses to kill. There is no logical reason not to force the cure on her. As for child Grace, that's also ridiculous. Children have guardians. They aren't able to give consent legally--that's the call of the guardian. Her uncle could have easily consented for her. The only thing they got right there was that they said Grace was too weak to take the cure.
This cure is proving to be a bad plot device because the main characters are completely wrong on how the cure should be implemented.
I'm so much more interested in Nora's story.
My thinking is that Barry and Iris will hear her out. That was a quick reaction by Barry on what he perceived as a legit threat.
The show basically ended mid scene.
Nora's failure to tell Barry her situation is a hell of a character flaw. She may have her father's powers, but she doesn't have his bravery.
I can't wait to see what happens next here. I just wish this fascinating story wasn't bogged down by Cicada II.
This cure is proving to be a bad plot device because the main characters are completely wrong on how the cure should be implemented.
I'm so much more interested in Nora's story.
My thinking is that Barry and Iris will hear her out. That was a quick reaction by Barry on what he perceived as a legit threat.
The show basically ended mid scene.
Nora's failure to tell Barry her situation is a hell of a character flaw. She may have her father's powers, but she doesn't have his bravery.
I can't wait to see what happens next here. I just wish this fascinating story wasn't bogged down by Cicada II.
Yes, and it was the prudent course of action. Put her in the cell first to make sure she can't hurt anyone and then she can explain herself later. But I am curious though how Barry could put her in a cell like that since she is a speedster too. Is Barry that much faster than her or did he just catch her off guard? I would assume that it would be very difficult for a speedster to throw another speedster into a cell like that since both speedsters could see things in "flash time" and can use super speed to escape.
Does anyone also think that maybe the show would be better with a slightly smaller main cast? I noticed that Caitlin was oddly absent for most of the episode and frankly, the C plot with Sawyer and Cisco seemed a bit superfluous. It just seems like it can be difficult for the writers to always find something meaningful for all the characters to do and creating secondary plots can distract from the main plot. This episode could have been tighter if they had left out Cisco and Sawyer and just focused on Cicada and Nora plots. If the rumors are true about Danielle Panabaker and Carlos Vasdes leaving the show, maybe they won't replace them and just restructure the show with a smaller cast indeed?
She wasn't in a frame of mind to fight anyone mentally. I would think it would have been harder if she were prepared, but I think you're right--she was off guard.
I would view it as a chance to bring in some more DC characters, like maybe a Green Lantern.
But you have a fair point. Honestly, I think everything would be better if they wrap up Cicada and just go with the Nora story
I think she was too distraught and unsure of herself to resist.
That makes sense. Certainly, Barry acted very very quickly, taking advantage of her moment of distress and uncertainty to lock her up before she could even realize what was happening.
Barry has gone to Thawn for help three times. (More?)
Climax of season one, to save his mum.
Time travel back to get help from young evil Thawn, to speed up to defeat Zoom.
Time travel back to get help from young evil Thawn, with Nora, to get help defeating Cicada.
Barry: "Do as I say Nora, not as I do."
Climax of season one, to save his mum.
Time travel back to get help from young evil Thawn, to speed up to defeat Zoom.
Time travel back to get help from young evil Thawn, with Nora, to get help defeating Cicada.
Barry: "Do as I say Nora, not as I do."
Fair point. And when Nora explains her side of the story, how she went to Thawne for help only because she was desperate to save Barry, it is very possible that Barry will forgive her and understand why she did it. What we saw in this episode was merely Barry's gut reaction to hearing the news from Sherloque's perspective that Nora had lied and is working with his mortal arch-nemesis. His reaction is certainly understandable given the circumstances. Once he calms down and hears Nora's side of the story, I think his attitude will change.
Again, the show cut off with Barry finding this out 10 seconds ago. I believe Nora's motivations are good, and at worst, she's a naive kid. Though I am curious what Thawne's role in this actually is. I actually love that he's now immune from timeline changes and can remember the one timeline he's from.
It's not like Nora will be left there to rot.
Regarding Barry going to Thawne for help too, the key difference is that Barry didn't keep it a secret from the team, and he knew enough not to trust Thawne. It was a last resort for him each time. Had Nora come clean from the get go, Barry would have likely reacted differently.
It's not like Nora will be left there to rot.
Regarding Barry going to Thawne for help too, the key difference is that Barry didn't keep it a secret from the team, and he knew enough not to trust Thawne. It was a last resort for him each time. Had Nora come clean from the get go, Barry would have likely reacted differently.
Another thing I had been wondering....surely other people in 2049 noticed Nora stopping by to talk with Thawne as Nora didn't seem to sneak in or interacting with him in a way that the guards wouldn't notice?? Is CCPD of 2049 aware that Nora has been going to see Thawne?
I don't think so. Every time, we've seen Nora speed in using her powers and Thawne's cell seems very isolated and private. So it possible that nobody saw her come in or out. Of course, that would not explain why cameras in the cell would not seem them talking. We have to assume that there are cameras to monitor Thawne.
Can Nora access Flashtime? Even if Thawne is depowered, perhaps she can pull him into it for a chat faster than the cameras can make out?
Does beg the question of why the entire facility isn't protected by an anti-meta field... even ARGUS has managed that in OUR time period.
In fairness, and I could just have missed it, do we really know what Thawne's deal is? Why is he Tom Cavanaugh? At what point in history is Thawne? Last we saw him, he was the other actor. And what are the circumstances behind his incarceration in 2049? How do we know he's with the CCPD? Maybe it's another kind of prison--like a Justice League prison.
Is the COIE a thing or is it something that will create a new timeline once it happens? If the COIE works similar to the comics, it will conclude at the Dawn of Time, merging the multiverse into one universe, and getting a new Earth. But I would think the entire history of Earth 1 is not altered in Thawne's time.
Thawne could be in some automated prison without actual guards--like an island that he couldn't escape.
Does Thawne have super speed in 2049?
All I really remember, and again, maybe I missed a bunch since I only saw each episode once over a period of months, is that Thawne is in a cell and advises Nora. He's pulling strings, but he may actually be a version that is reformed.
Is the COIE a thing or is it something that will create a new timeline once it happens? If the COIE works similar to the comics, it will conclude at the Dawn of Time, merging the multiverse into one universe, and getting a new Earth. But I would think the entire history of Earth 1 is not altered in Thawne's time.
Thawne could be in some automated prison without actual guards--like an island that he couldn't escape.
Does Thawne have super speed in 2049?
All I really remember, and again, maybe I missed a bunch since I only saw each episode once over a period of months, is that Thawne is in a cell and advises Nora. He's pulling strings, but he may actually be a version that is reformed.
The first time we see Nora go to the future to talk to Thawne, it pans out and it looks like the same Iron Heights that we've seen before.
