Captain Marvel (2019)

I think all of us should stop watching star trek

Gene was a sexist pig and we are contributing to his legacy by watching it

I suggest we go watch something else, there's a lot of room on the orville forums

 

He's been dead for 30 years, his influence is over.

 

I think Pike must have been confused because if he didn't notice his first officer was also a woman.

Jason

 

Unless one counts a persons legacy. As long as Trek is around then Roddenberry will still have influence.

Jason

 

The idea of him is, that’s about it. It’s more the myth than the man.

 

Roddenberry wasn't the only one who made Star Trek. Nor was he the only one who made it great. And he probably was not the one who made Trek work.

I think it's safe to keep watching, knowing we aren't going to be affected by Gene Roddenberry.

 

Gene Coon had as much if not more to do with Star Trek success as Roddenberry.

 

Don't forget Piller!

 

I know. It's lots of people who make a tv show work. I especially think Gene Coon deserves lots of praise. Still he did get the ball started and he did contribute so he deserves some credit . Granted he also deserves more than a small portion of credit for some of the bad stuff as well but I guess it's just all part of the mix.


Jason

 

It's a collaborative process. Even the actors add to it. Nimoy added a lot to Vulcan society. James Doohan had the idea for Klingons having their own language.

 

I am curious. I didn't know James Doohan contributed to Kilingon language.

 

Doohan created the words and sounds for the Klingon language for Star Trek the Motion Picture. When Marc Okrand created his language for StarTrek 3, he went back and retroactively incorporated Doohan's efforts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon_language

ETA: Marc Okrand on the origin of the Klingon language. He brings up James Doohan at about 3 minutes and 30 seconds.

 

I think Doohan voiced some other characters as well. I know he was Trelane's dad for sure in that episode.


Jason

 

Or...

There is something we don't know...?

 

He voiced almost every male guest character in the animated series as well.

 

This is true. I am going to watch Trek and any damn thing I want to...

 

Whenever you see Star Trek you get the 'created by' line... and it is always Gene Rodenberry.

 

All that tells me is that you are placing too much emphasis on what that credit means. Gene Coon invented the Klingons, the concept of the Federation, elevated DeForest Kelley to the same level as Shatner and Nimoy. He began incorporating humor into scripts. He encouraged more direct political engagement from writers. Not only were these quintessentially Star Trek things that Coon introduced, they were things that Gene Roddenberry hated. Indeed, Shatner and Nimoy preferred Coon over Roddenberry. There's a good chance Star Trek would have been forgettable without Gene Coon.

 

Were there a lot other men named Gene on the set?

 

As far as I know, casting couch was virtually the standard at the time. We know about Gene Roddenberry because his life is under so much scrutiny, as opposed to the Second Assistant Producer of some forgotten early 60s' One-Season-Only Sitcom. So if this a factor in viewing any old show, I suspect that one should ban almost all of them (and many of not-so-old ones...)

ETA: I think that this practice is an horrible and inexcusable abuse, nevertheless was a so common practice that one should assume that probably at least one female actor in any show had to endure it.