Sarek is the Best thing in this show

[fireproof78]

It doesn't make narrative sense that Frain hasn't become Lenard Sarek yet. We've already seen that Sarek in "Yesteryear" and Star Trek V prior to Discovery. He was not the warm, fuzzy smiling version Frain plays. He should already be the Sarek we know and love from TOS and TNG.

I think its more a matter of different fronts he puts on for different situations. Sarek could appear very different depending on occasion, with more formality and stiffness in "Journey to Babel" to honest and pained in Star Trek III, willingly acknowledging his illogic.

The fact that he remains "the same" through TNG is more off putting to me than Frain's portrayal.

 

[Alan Roi]

It doesn't make narrative sense that Frain hasn't become Lenard Sarek yet. We've already seen that Sarek in "Yesteryear" and Star Trek V prior to Discovery. He was not the warm, fuzzy smiling version Frain plays. He should already be the Sarek we know and love from TOS and TNG.

It does appear that Sarek is the warmest around Michael, which makes a reasonable amount of sense for anyone who knows how family dynamics work, let alone what we know of his and Michael's relationship.

 

[STR]

This is a misunderstanding of my point. My point was that Kelvin Trek gave more depth to that relationship by showing how that progressed and what could facilitate that change occurring sooner than in Prime.

What it did, for me at least, is show how their relationship was before and how it changed. It's informative of their attitudes and interactions.

I think that DEC and Kelvin Trek has both contributed to expanding that understanding.

You're right. I do not understand your point.

It does appear that Sarek is the warmest around Michael, which makes a reasonable amount of sense for anyone who knows how family dynamics work, let alone what we know of his and Michael's relationship.

He's proud of Michael for overachieving/overcoming her human nature while disappointed in Spock's inability to hold up to Sarek's Vulcan standards.

Or Sarek's and Michael simply agree with each other more often. Spock's isn't really disappointing, he just comes to entirely different conclusions on many matters of import. Spock's statement that "in the end, all we had were our arguments" can be interpreted that was.

Either way is plausible. They are, indeed, common familial dynamics.

 

[fireproof78]

You're right. I do not understand your point.

My point is that Kelvin Trek informed me, who was familiar with the dynamic of Spock and Sarek before, of how the relationship was and what transpired to change that relationship.

Now, we have DSC to fill in those gaps, but Kelvin Trek did it for me way before that.

 

[Noname Given]

Um...yeah? I already covered that. Death causes people to say a lot of things. I wouldn't call this a game changer. In fact, as TNG showed, the off screen death of Amanda in "the prime timelime" didn't change their relationship either. Maybe it prompted a thawing, for a time, but that's about it.

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Sorry, but TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. We don't know when 'Prime' Amanda passed, but most assume it was a death from natural causes, so it wouldn't/shouldn't affect Sarek or Spock in an overly negative way as a natural death is something they would both logically expect and both be prepared for; so no, that WOULDN'T affect their relationship much.

Amanda's death in 2009 was VERY UNNATURAL and UNEXPECTED...she fell off a cliff to her death while in the process of waiting to be beamed aboard the Entyerprise. That is a very unexpected and illogical occurance. Add to that, minutes later Sarek and Spock's homeworld is destroyed with BILLIONS of Vulcans dead - and te remaining handful of Vulcans now with no world to call their own.
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That definitely would chnge Sarek's and Spock's outlook toward each other in a way that never occurred in the 'Prime' timeline so, 2009 Sarek being the 'outlier' version (IE Saying things that had all these events not occurred he NEVER would have...) makes sense.

 

[T'Bonz]

It doesn't make narrative sense that Frain hasn't become Lenard Sarek yet. We've already seen that Sarek in "Yesteryear" and Star Trek V prior to Discovery. He was not the warm, fuzzy smiling version Frain plays. He should already be the Sarek we know and love from TOS and TNG.

Dunno, Frain's Sarek can be quite Vulcan/cold. He shows a wee bit of emotion (privately with his family), but so did Mark Lenard as Sarek in Journey to Babel with his wife when alone.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Frain's performance was neither here nor there for me up until 'Light and Shadow', where I think Frain knocked it out of the park. He did a great job of showing Sarek walking that fine line between emotional control and totally losing it over his being in pain.