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Harlan Ellison: Star Trek Was Just "A Cop Show"

They did give her command in TAS. She was also quite capable at repairing the communication systems.

Yeah, TAS. It's good as well is that episode. How many times do they get her to fix the comms stuff though?

Still though, the idea that she was playing some strong female role model or that she was doing a mans job seems a bit of a stretch. 99% Nichelle Nichols played a bit-part switchboard operator. Very good at is she is too, but she's neither a particularly strong character either in terms of gender or race. She's much the same as Sulu, Chekov and Scotty in that regard. A token gesture towards realising Roddenberry's utopian vision of the future onscreen.

Noble it may be but it's tokenism nonetheless.
 
They let her go because of budget reasons. That and they didn’t think the Kirk romance plot was working.
Yeah, i knew that, but on the show itself there was no formal exit for the character.
 
Yeah, TAS. It's good as well is that episode. How many times do they get her to fix the comms stuff though?

Still though, the idea that she was playing some strong female role model or that she was doing a mans job seems a bit of a stretch. 99% Nichelle Nichols played a bit-part switchboard operator. Very good at is she is too, but she's neither a particularly strong character either in terms of gender or race. She's much the same as Sulu, Chekov and Scotty in that regard. A token gesture towards realising Roddenberry's utopian vision of the future onscreen.

I agree with all the above.

Noble it may be but it's tokenism nonetheless.

I think that might be a bit much.
 
Yeah, i knew that, but on the show itself there was no formal exit for the character.

Yeah, we never saw her again until TMP and by then she'd already been promoted to Transporter Chief. No in-universe explanation for where she went between 2266 and 2273.
 
I think that might be a bit much.

Definition from the Oxford Dictionary:

Tokenism is the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to be inclusive to members of minority groups, especially by recruiting a small number of people from underrepresented groups in order to give the appearance of racial or sexual equality within a workforce.

I'd say it describes the casting situation on TOS. Yes, they had Nichols and Takei but both were marginalised and beyond a few moments (which are the exception, not the norm) neither of them gets very much to do beyond just 'be there' so that we can look at the multinational, multiracial bridge crew and harp about how groundbreaking TOS was.

The whole idea of TOS being either unusually inclusive or regressive falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. All the lines in the show go to the three white male Americans. In the meantime Sulu is the designated driver, Uhura answers the phone and Chekov get's do make a funny about how Russians invented everything in a comedy accent.

Don't get me wrong mind, I love TOS. I just don't put the 1970's fan convention spectacles on to watch it.
 
The whole idea of TOS being either unusually inclusive or regressive falls apart under the slightest scrutiny.

And of course I meant progressive here... A combination of autocorrect and way too much sativa. Apologies.
 
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The whole idea of TOS being either unusually inclusive or regressive falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. All the lines in the show go to the three white male Americans. In the meantime Sulu is the designated driver, Uhura answers the phone and Chekov get's do make a funny about how Russians invented everything in a comedy accent.

Don't get me wrong mind, I love TOS. I just don't put the 1970's fan convention spectacles on to watch it.

Except Shatner the actor is Canadian and Spock the character is half-Vulcan. The only person in the Troika who's both American in real world origin and as a Trek character is McCoy. ;)
 
Gosh I forgot Shatter is Canadian. How stupid is that?

I'm going to go and melt a Gorn toy to chide myself.
 
So was James Doohan, so two of the four lead characters on TOS were played by non-Americans while of the seven leads one was half-Vulcan, one was Scottish, one was of Swahili origin from East Africa, one was Japanese-American and one was Russian. The only white American male characters were Kirk and McCoy and Kirk was played by a Canadian actor born in a province where French is the chief spoken language. ;)
 
Which, okay, the Enterprise bridge is a little more diverse than it may appear at first. Conceded. The part I took umbrage with is that Uhura had a 'man's role'. I think anyone is on at least shaky legs if they are taking the standpoint that TOS is some kind of pro-feminist oeuvre.

On a side note thanks to all for putting the Ellison interviews up. What a passionate, concerned and intelligent guy.
 
Yeah, i knew that, but on the show itself there was no formal exit for the character.
How common was that on 60's TV? I recall Barney getting a formal exit on the Andy Griffith Show and of course Gomer got a spin off. But was Rand really on that level?
 
Other than the big three, I think Scott might have rated an exit show, but none of the others. Even that was probably dependent on availability and cost, they may have just used a “he was reassigned” line too
 
Robert Lansing's General Savage got an off-camera death on 12 O'Clock High, but that was to explain a swapping of the lead actor.
 
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