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So, one minor quibble. Did it bother anyone else that in the episode last week, everyone concluded the Red Angel must have been from the future, because it had advanced tech?

I mean, I know the plot seems to be going that way. But there are thousands of races in the galaxy, all with different rates of technological development. Overall galactic tech should not be "futuristic" 500 years hence. Similarly, a lot of races should have technology which is already thousands of years more advanced than the Federation.

They also detected tachyons, which they said may indicate time travel (and cloaking and other stuff), so the tachyons on top of the advanced technology to create the bursts, plus the exo-suit which implies not quite non-corporealness means possible time traveller here.

It's still way too much of a stretch for Michael, of all people, to almost definitively state it's a time traveller rather than other possibilities. This episode, of course, features a time rift and time tsunami and temporal distortions, and verified evidence that a probe was tampered with 500 years in the future, so they all should have a good idea that they're dealing with time travellers or maybe 4D species (like the Prophets or the guys Harry Mudd stole from).

Time travel really shouldn't be a thing until nine years later, although even in Archer's time, and untold adventures since, they should understand that other races have had temporal capabilities.
 
So, one minor quibble. Did it bother anyone else that in the episode last week, everyone concluded the Red Angel must have been from the future, because it had advanced tech?

I mean, I know the plot seems to be going that way. But there are thousands of races in the galaxy, all with different rates of technological development. Overall galactic tech should not be "futuristic" 500 years hence. Similarly, a lot of races should have technology which is already thousands of years more advanced than the Federation.
I said the same thing to my wife while watching, but she (correctly) pointed out to me that they also talked about detecting tachyons and other data that indicated the red angels mystery involved time travel or some other temporal aspect.
 
If Michael is the red angel it will make her the ultimate mary sue.
If it were Staments, Culber, or Tyler (and I'm not saying it is), would that make him a Gary Stu?

What about Jett Reno? I mean, she seems to be an expert at a lot of techy things and medical things (saving people's lives with tech). Would she be a Mary Sue if she were the Red Angel?

What if (purely hypothetically, for the sake of discussion) the red angel is Kirk or Spock? Would that make Kirk or Spock the ultimate Gary Stu?
 
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Time travel really shouldn't be a thing until nine years later, although even in Archer's time, and untold adventures since, they should understand that other races have had temporal capabilities.

This was the first ep where I thought, "This seems way too advanced for the TOS period." They should have been way out of their depth, even with all the spore drive stuff.
 
Or Sash Striga. If Annabelle Wallis has any speaking roles this season, she's certainly not advertising it.

Well, yeah, but I was thinking CGI'ing Audrey's face, at least momentarily for the shock and confusion of anyone who might recognize Audrey Hepburn (Stamets as a theater fan? Pike coming from a family of cultural educators? Spock and/or Burnham being know-it-alls? Tilly's already shown familiarity with 20th century pop culture?).

I kinda believe them when they said Calypso really has nothing to do with Discovery this season, and it was merely cheap set dressing, so I don't actually expect a connection between Zora and the Red Angel at this point.
 
I kinda believe them when they said Calypso really has nothing to do with Discovery this season, and it was merely cheap set dressing, so I don't actually expect a connection between Zora and the Red Angel at this point.

Yeah, I mean, it really just seemed like Micheal Chabon had a cool story idea he wanted to work on, and they figured why not use Discovery as the set and save some money.

I don't understand the need people have for it to somehow tie into the series as a whole. IMHO if they went that way it would immensely cheapen the story of Calypso.
 
Yeah, I mean, it really just seemed like Micheal Chabon had a cool story idea he wanted to work on, and they figured why not use Discovery as the set and save some money.

I don't understand the need people have for it to somehow tie into the series as a whole. IMHO if they went that way it would immensely cheapen the story of Calypso.
I didnt think they would at first but then I might have been one of the first to think red angel was zora. and the pieces are starting to fit.

Discovery needs a new shuttle now, by the way. Time for Funny Face
 
Yeah, I mean, it really just seemed like Micheal Chabon had a cool story idea he wanted to work on, and they figured why not use Discovery as the set and save some money.

I don't understand the need people have for it to somehow tie into the series as a whole. IMHO if they went that way it would immensely cheapen the story of Calypso.

I think the odds of it being standalone went way down when they introduced time travel this season. I kinda wish they hadn’t, but here we are.

That said, I think the AI aspect may still end up being standalone.
 
I didnt think they would at first but then I might have been one of the first to think red angel was zora. and the pieces are starting to fit.

My point is that Calypso was a sweet story about two characters. Making it the backstory to a season arc is cheap, and ruins the sentiment. It's like if TNG decided to develop a season arc off of The Inner Light where it was discovered that Picard's flute had ultratech capabilities and allowed him to jump through time and space whenever he played a song.

I'm fine if as part of the story they abandon Discovery in the future for 1,000 years, then come back and get it and Zora is there. But she absolutely should not be a major mover and shaker in the plotline. She apparently is unable to do anything unless she's ordered to anyway.
 
My point is that Calypso was a sweet story about two characters. Making it the backstory to a season arc is cheap, and ruins the sentiment. It's like if TNG decided to develop a season arc off of The Inner Light where it was discovered that Picard's flute had ultratech capabilities and allowed him to jump through time and space whenever he played a song.

I'm fine if as part of the story they abandon Discovery in the future for 1,000 years, then come back and get it and Zora is there. But she absolutely should not be a major mover and shaker in the plotline. She apparently is unable to do anything unless she's ordered to anyway.
I would agree. I'd like them to leave Zora alone. She's should be kind of a hands-off character. You don't go back and revisit Edith Keeler, that kind of thing. But, maybe they'll impress me, if I'm right.
 
My point is that Calypso was a sweet story about two characters. Making it the backstory to a season arc is cheap, and ruins the sentiment. It's like if TNG decided to develop a season arc off of The Inner Light where it was discovered that Picard's flute had ultratech capabilities and allowed him to jump through time and space whenever he played a song.

I'm fine if as part of the story they abandon Discovery in the future for 1,000 years, then come back and get it and Zora is there. But she absolutely should not be a major mover and shaker in the plotline. She apparently is unable to do anything unless she's ordered to anyway.
We actually have no idea when the Discovery was abandoned in Calypso. That abandon ship event might be several years from Discovery's "present" and have nothing to do with this present crew or the stories being told about them.
 
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So, one minor quibble. Did it bother anyone else that in the episode last week, everyone concluded the Red Angel must have been from the future, because it had advanced tech?

I mean, I know the plot seems to be going that way. But there are thousands of races in the galaxy, all with different rates of technological development. Overall galactic tech should not be "futuristic" 500 years hence. Similarly, a lot of races should have technology which is already thousands of years more advanced than the Federation.

The problem is that most of the time someone with advanced tech is from the future. Is this one of the other times? Possible, but not likely.
 
"No."
"But why?"
"Because [they] wish it."

I'm seriously convinced they want Burnham to be the Red Angel only so they can say "Look at how much of a Mary Sue she is!" They'll act upset or outraged but they'll secretly (or not so secretly) be glad the show is making their argument for them.

For this reason, I hope it's not Burnham.
I don't even think the Red Angel is Burnham, but I certainly don't think anyone should care what a bunch of insecure entitled manbabies have to say about it. If anything, if it bothers them, that makes me want it more.

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So, I'm kind of bummed that the Red Angel is some person in a super suit.

I was hoping for some mysterious, advance being (like Q, except not silly) that would cause our characters to question their place in the universe and the morality of advanced beings mucking around in our affairs, etc.

Is it POSSIBLE that the evolution of "General Order One" comes from the idea that a more advanced civilization screwing around with us (in this case, the Red Angel) screwed things up, and we vow never to do that to anyone else?

The Prime Directive seems to be a somewhat recurring theme this season.
 
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