My mother used to call it "Star Track". So there's that.After fifty plus years of being an active Star Trek fan, I've come to the conclusion that the only thing that hasn't been debated to death, is the title of the original show.
Theory for TOS Enterprise and Disco Enterprise differences
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Also, remember Enterprise did a great job making the TOS sets look modern in their Mirror universe episodes. If they brought that back and replaced those neon screensaver blobs on the screens with actual modern looking computer readouts, I think a lot of fans would be happy.
Keep in mind that even in the real world there are a lot of "retro" trends. Just look at all the pixel games on Steam for instance.
Compare the blocky graphics of Minecraft and Stardew Valley, relatively recent hit games, to the newer looking graphics of Half-Life or World of Warcraft. Yet Half-Life and WoW are the older games.
Keep in mind that even in the real world there are a lot of "retro" trends. Just look at all the pixel games on Steam for instance.
Compare the blocky graphics of Minecraft and Stardew Valley, relatively recent hit games, to the newer looking graphics of Half-Life or World of Warcraft. Yet Half-Life and WoW are the older games.
OK, so Lucasfilm took the route of having the production look mostly the same. That's fine.
However, if a production decides to not do that, then that doesn't necessarily mean that it is an alternate timeline.
Seriously, why would "not the same timeline" be the only explanation that makes sense for the different production looks between TOS and DSC? I suppose CBS could have made it look more like 1960s Trek, but they opted to not do so. That alone doesn't make it a different timeline.
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So?
Hey, Star Wars 4: ANH and rogue one were filmed 40 years apart and look the same!
Even the Death Star Overbridge is identical:
Bad comparison. Star Wars and TOS were a decade apart with vastly different budgets. And the SW aesthetic never really looked like campy and cheap pulp sci-fi, which lends to its survivability. The bottom line is: ILM basically invented modern special effects.
You should instead compare TMP with the modern look of Trek, which is much closer than TOS to modern Trek.
So, one cannot use the excuse "this is a production made in 2019 so it can't look like something made 40 years ago" when Rogue One did exactly that.
It's not a bad comparison. Budgets aren't the point here. Star Wars and Rogue One had film budgets; TOS and DSC have TV budgets. Both examples set out to do the same thing: be a prequel to an older movie or show. One example did this flawlessly as far as the look went, the other example didn't. But money wasn't the factor.
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The Star Wars aesthetic still holds up, TOS TV one doesn't.
That's just an opinion, not based in any factual evidence.
The TOS movies hold up a lot better, and I would be fine if the DSC bridge resembled one of the bridges seen there.
An opinion shared by a lot.
OK here's what may indeed be factual evidence over the whole TOS vs modern look thing.
I know it's been over a decade, but I'm pretty sure I remember Enterprise having a modern aesthetic in the first 3 seasons and practically no one watching.
And then once they brought in smooth headed Klingons, a literal TOS bridge in the Mirror episodes, everyone was dismayed the show was getting canceled because as even Brannon Braga said: "I thought Manny Coto did a great job. One could argue that Enterprise might have been that from the beginning. When I was seeing what Manny was doing it was like "you know what? Maybe this should have been the show from the start.": https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Manny_Coto
That's an exaggeration.
Fair enough I'll have to dig up the ratings for season 1-3 vs season 4.
They went down over time, they'd been slowly declining since DS9 started.
Except the Abrams films look more like TOS than the TMP films or DSC, and look how popular they were.
And how many is a lot? Some people here at the TrekBBS? Did you go out and conduct interviews or something?
No they don't.
The way some comments imply, you would think that it would be a complete disaster if TOS sets even popped up in a modern show. Yet in the one case this actually happened in a 21st century show, the reaction is generally agreed to be positive:
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_a_Mirror,_Darkly#Critical_response and https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/In_a_Mirror,_Darkly,_Part_II_(episode)#Reception
According to Michael and Denise Okuda's text commentary for this episode, fan reaction was overwhelmingly positive and proved that "Enterprise fans still love the original Star Trek."
The book Star Trek 101, by Terry J. Erdmann and Paula M. Block, lists this episode and the previous part of its two-parter as being, together, one of the "Ten Essential Episodes" from Star Trek: Enterprise.
"In a Mirror, Darkly" has been featured in several "Best of" episode lists.
So... there's my evidence.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_a_Mirror,_Darkly#Critical_response and https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/In_a_Mirror,_Darkly,_Part_II_(episode)#Reception
According to Michael and Denise Okuda's text commentary for this episode, fan reaction was overwhelmingly positive and proved that "Enterprise fans still love the original Star Trek."
The book Star Trek 101, by Terry J. Erdmann and Paula M. Block, lists this episode and the previous part of its two-parter as being, together, one of the "Ten Essential Episodes" from Star Trek: Enterprise.
"In a Mirror, Darkly" has been featured in several "Best of" episode lists.
So... there's my evidence.
For 2 episodes, and only toward the hard core fans.
DSC is aiming for the casual as well.
An entire (serious) series looking like TOS would not work, and the execs would laugh you out of the building.
Maybe a parody would work with it.
I recall execs did indeed literally laugh TOS to cancellation, which they later regretted. Regarding my SW posts, they laughed at George Lucas too and gave him merchandising rights because they were sure they were worth nothing. Execs don't really have great track records.
Orville is doing great and looks quite corny to be honest.
Obviously, things would be updated. Computer screen readouts for one.
Yeah, we're not going to start acting like 5 years olds again with the "yes/no" thing.
I'm not sure what there's to expand on since it's just an opinion.
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