My map of the Federation, post-Nemesis

[Henoch]

Also interesting is that while they are in the solar system at high warp speeds they are actually going very slow. So it would seem that regions of higher gravity actually produce slower actual speeds. This would also match what we see in First Contact, where the Phoenix barely makes any distance even traveling at warp 1. My theory is that warp factor(speed) isn't necessarily directly related to speed but is more related to power put into the system. For example the Phoenix only broke light speed in terms of generating a 1 Cochrane warp field and would have been traveling at 1c if it was in open space. But since it was right next to earth the Actual Speed was less than 1c.

I made a tangent thread in the Trek Tech forum on this interesting topic. It seemed to deserve its own thread, titled "Moving Slow at Warp Speed". Thanks,
Henoch

 

[Belz...]

It is supposed to be. The Klingons call it Klach K'Del Brakt, a name first used in DS9. However they weren't mentioned as different names for the same phenomena until Enterprise's season 4.

Some of the olders star charts thus show them as two different locations, but after the Enterprise episode the latest Stellar Carthography book lists them as the same.

Honestly the map is mostly aimed at placing the stuff from TOS and TNG. I'm not that familiar with ENT, having seen the series only once so far. But on most maps the damned thing would be visible from Earth, and it would be if you followed ENT's ridiculous take on Qo'Nos' proximity. As I hinted to before, if you want to be consistent with Star Trek, you'll have to be inconsistent with other parts of it as well, since it is itself inconsistent.

Also, it made sense to me to have it in that area, helping to explain why Worf would be nearby, and also how the Son'a can supply the Dominion. Finally, I was able to put it in my sector numbered 441, the same sector it's in in the dialogue, which was too good to pass up. Besides, Picard didn't seem to be aware of the name of the area before the admiral told him about it. He reacts to the name with amusement.

 

[Finn]

Yeah. I remember some kind of "behind the scenes" article where someone on the team who did the episode said it wasn't the same Briar Patch we saw in Insurrection. You are right, the Son'a's ability to supply the Dominion would add credence to that.

 

[STEPhon IT]

The Romulan Republic??? It's not the Romulan Star Empire??? Is this... "Prime revisionism"?

 

[Belz...]

Think about it. They have a senate. Do you think they call _themselves_ an empire?

I'm pretty sure the term Romulan is derogatory and comes from humans because of the Roman parallels.

 

[Finn]

^ while I agree isn't called "Romulan Republic- remember...the Empire (from the Star Wars saga) had a senate for 19 years

 

[Belz...]

Since when is Star Wars supposed to make sense?

No, my point is that we call the Roman Empire and Empire but they'd never have called themselves that.

 

[Henoch]

I imagine there were periods in human history when they use the explorer's terminology to refer to another land or group of people they discover...

 

[TommyR01D]

Think about it. They have a senate. Do you think they call _themselves_ an empire?

I don't see a contradiction.

 

[Belz...]

I don't see a contradiction.

I never said there was a contradiction. I offered an argument.

 

[Belz...]

I just thought of something that may be a good argument against my stance on the Trek maps: in Cause and Effect the Enterprise, in the presumably-far-from-home Typhon Expanse, encounters the Bozeman from 2278. Clearly the Federation's had the ability to go to that place for a long time (95 years). So maybe the map's on to something.

Of course it doesn't explain why the thing sits well within 24th century exploration ability and yet it has gone unexplored for so long.

 

[Kor]

It's a very cool map!

Kor

 

[uniderth]

Since when is Star Wars supposed to make sense?

No, my point is that we call the Roman Empire and Empire but they'd never have called themselves that.

That is a very good point. the United States will probably be remembered in the history books as an empire even though we aren't called that.

To go with your point though, there wasn't even such a thing as a Roman Emperor. What we call the Roman Emperor actually went by many different titles each with their own powers and responsibilities. People in the past just took the title "IMPERATOR" and morphed that into the word Emperor. And used that word to simply express a complex system.

 

[Henoch]

I thought about another measure to check on, the length of time subspace messages take to get to back to Starfleet. If it takes 3 week to get a reply, then they must be really far out there. 3 days, on the edge. You see the talking instantly, not too far.

 

[Belz...]

That's another thing that's very inconsistent, though. In Balance of Terror the message takes quite a while to get back to the Enterprise and yet they're on the Neutral Zone, quite close to Earth, presumably (unless my memory's playing games on me). Sometimes they're presumably far and communication is instantaneous.

My solution to that is that there's a network of subspace relays and if you're close to any of them, communication is fast because within the network itself, for all intents and purposes, it's instantaneous. Otherwise there's a delay.

 

[Finn]

^the neutral zone likely is hundreds of light years wide, and "up/down". The Enterprise may have been at the more distant section of the neutral zone....?

 

[Belz...]

^the neutral zone likely is hundreds of light years wide, and "up/down". The Enterprise may have been at the more distant section of the neutral zone....?

Maybe. I got the impression from the dialogue that that part of the neutral zone dated from the war. Mind you, I'd expect outposts watching the Romulans to be near subspace relays. You can't afford not to warn Earth quickly.

 

[Tenacity]

That is a very good point. the United States will probably be remembered in the history books as an empire even though we aren't called that.

We differentiate the Roman Republic from the later Roman Empire.

The current United States will likely be remembered for what it is, a republic.

 

[uniderth]

We differentiate the Roman Republic from the later Roman Empire.

The current United States will likely be remembered for what it is, a republic.

We differentiate the Roman Republic from the later Roman Empire.

The current United States will likely be remembered for what it is, a republic.

Yes. that's exactly the point. We differentiate the Roman Republic from the Roman Empire, but the Romans didn't. It was always the Republic for them.

 

[Belz...]

I decided to make a TOS-only version today. This one essentially ignores everything after TOS in terms of map geography, though it includes some locations from the movies and TNG.

There are no Phase 2 locations on the map despite the entry in the legend. It's just a placeholder.