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Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

Yeah, they had to be out to lunch when they thought up the stillsuits for the movie. Who really thought it was a good idea to have actors wearing black rubber outfits in the desert?
 

Apparently they are moving away from an unknown middle eastern actress/model for Chani. Zendaya (someone called it super early in the thread) is negotiating for it.

https://comicbook.com/movies/amp/2019/01/30/dune-zendaya-chani/
Damn, the cast for this just keeps getting better and better.
This is quickly becoming one of my most anticipated movies. We have a great director, who, after Arrival and Blade Runner 2049, is one of the few people I'd trust to be able to pull this off, and now a spectacular cast is coming together.
 
One of my friends watched the David Lynch film and then went on to read Dune Messiah. Can't even imagine how confused he was.

Just out of interest, how many of you have listened to the Dune audiobook? It's fantastic.
 
Nice. Might have to look in to that.

The full cast for some reason isn't always there. Some chapters won't have the actress for Jessica, or what have you, but it's still an incredible production. They also sometimes layer in some atmospheric music to build the scene. I can't say enough good things about the audiobook. I feel pretty ambivalent about the movie because I feel the audiobook already nailed it.
 
I don't like this choice for Stilgar. Javier is a fine actor but I really wish they'd gone with middle eastern/north african/pakistanian/Indian western unknowns for the Fremen. Make him Thufir or something.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/dunes-cast-just-keeps-getting-better-looks-to-add-javi-1832272265/amp
I don't remember much about the character (I know, I know, I really need to reread the book already) but I love Javier Bardem, so I'm thrilled he's involved with the film in any capacity.
 
I'm guessing they didn't want to pick anyone Middle Eastern or North African for Stilgar, even though that seems more fitting. Wonder what they're doing about words like 'Jihad' and other Islamic or Middle Eastern overtones.
 
I'm guessing they didn't want to pick anyone Middle Eastern or North African for Stilgar, even though that seems more fitting. Wonder what they're doing about words like 'Jihad' and other Islamic or Middle Eastern overtones.

They'll have trouble de-arabican the zenSUNNI warriors if that's what they are doing. I'm surprised I didn't see any (fully justified) white washing reactions yet, beyond my own comment. Maybe because a white guy played him the last two times.

Edit: a white guy played him the last 3 times.
 
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I'm guessing they didn't want to pick anyone Middle Eastern or North African for Stilgar, even though that seems more fitting. Wonder what they're doing about words like 'Jihad' and other Islamic or Middle Eastern overtones.
They're really going to have a hard time scrubbing everything with Middle Eastern overtones. After all, a rough generalization of the plot is that it takes place in a desert region the rest of the universe relies on to get the fuel for their spaceships. There are some pretty obvious parallels which are going to be unavoidable.
 
Even though they are the good guys, I could see where some of the higher ups might be nervous about casting middle eastern actors as the Fremen. It seems to me like this is another one of damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. Cast all white actors as the Fremen and it's white washing, but cast them with Middle Eastern actors and you'
re accused of feeding into the stereotype of all Middle Eastern people being terrorists.
 
The whole messiah thing is potentially problematic. Desert people following a prophet into a jihad to rid their land of foreigners who come to take their vital resource? Plus Paul fits the whole white savior thing.
 
The whole messiah thing is potentially problematic. Desert people following a prophet into a jihad to rid their land of foreigners who come to take their vital resource? Plus Paul fits the whole white savior thing.
I think you missed the part where it's explicitly established as a myth that was implanted by foreigners and the main characters are consciously and quite cynically using natives' belief in it to their own advantage.

If you're reading it as "white man saves the day" you're *really* missing the point.
 
I think you missed the part where it's explicitly established as a myth that was implanted by foreigners and the main characters are consciously and quite cynically using natives' belief in it to their own advantage.

If you're reading it as "white man saves the day" you're *really* missing the point.

No, I get the book. It's a pretty easy book to get. But Paul is still white messiah to a group of desert warriors who fight a jihad, and I'm not sure the whole 'cynically using natives' belief to their own advantage' is any less tricky in this day and age, especially since it casts the idea of a prophet to such people in a very cynical light.
 
No, I get the book. It's a pretty easy book to get. But Paul is still white messiah to a group of desert warriors who fight a jihad, and I'm not sure the whole 'cynically using natives' belief to their own advantage' is any less tricky in this day and age, especially since it casts the idea of a prophet to such people in a very cynical light.
I really don't see what's so tricky about some powerful outsiders coming in and exploiting the superstitions of the locals for their own ends being depicted as some powerful outsiders coming in and exploiting the superstitions of the locals for their own ends.

It's categorically *not* a white messiah story, it's a deliberate deconstruction of one.
 
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