Oh, OK. It's been a while since I've watched either version, so I guess I forgot about that stuff.
Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)
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It's not always a good idea to presume an author's views by those expressed by the characters they write. IIRC there's a scene in GEoD where Duncan freaks out over the Fish Speakers sleeping with each other and the idea of an all female army even being a thing and is treated like a archaic prude. (I think there was also a little bit about it working fine for Alexander the Great, but I'm not 100% certain that was this book.)
Also worth remembering that the society being portrayed in 'Dune' is modelled after European feudalism; an aristocracy in a religious climate that doesn't easily tolerate artificial interference with human reproduction, so they're back to the old fashioned way of producing heirs. That lends to an crushingly urgent emphasis on heterosexual pairings, regardless of actual orientation. Which leads to a lot of repression, which in some cases can lead to natural desires becoming twisted and expressed in unhealthy ways. Herbert may simply have been extrapolating what the social norms of such a society would probably be.
Also, the Baron is a very particular case. I forget the specifics but I think there's some hint about something being *off* about his relationship to his mother, plus he's a man in a position of absolute privilege and a gluttonous appetite for all of his material pleasures and seems to take a singular delight in flaunting his excesses.
and then there's the Bene Gesserit breeding program. Needing Harkonnen genetic material and the baron's sexual preferences much have caused a few headaches.
People always seem to be too hypercritical about Dune. Me thinks they doth protest too much. So many love hate relationships with the Dune genre
Sounds good as long as there's no *bleep* telepathy.
Planes that flap their wings look goofy as hell, no matter how much some people are in love with the idea.
An HBO series would be great, but probably cost even more than Westworld.
I would have guessed he'd be Shaddam.
If Kanye were to be cast as Shaddam , the production staff would have to have a mixed-race actress cast as his daughter, Irulan.
Personally, there are other black men who could portray Shaddam.
Stellar caring so far. I didn't think they'd be able to top Ian McNeice as the Baron, but damn, did they ever.
But Batista should be Gurney Halleck or Duncan Idaho, not Rabban. And Idaho should be black, as he was described as being dark skinned by Herbert.
As for ornithopters being goofy, something akin to the UTIAS Snowbird could look kind of graceful.
The dragonfly-inspired ornithopters in Lexx were weird but kind of credible.
The dragonfly-inspired ornithopters in Lexx were weird but kind of credible.
That's outstanding!
When it comes to depicting ornithopters: the mistake a lot of the less credible attempts make is either making it too hard on themselves by copying birds, or as in the case of both the Lynch movie & the minis; not fully committing the the concept and comig up with some cop-out half-measure.
I say going the bird route is a mistake because from the descriptions in the book, I always pictured them as being much more dragonfly like. That way, you don't need clunky metal flapping wings that couldn't possible generate thrust since you have thin, light material made of some kind of composite that flaps about as fast as a helicopter's blades spin. Which is nothing more than a blur of motion 90% of the time.
An example of this done right (and on a very slim budget) is the moths in 'Lexx', for those old enough to remember it.
I say going the bird route is a mistake because from the descriptions in the book, I always pictured them as being much more dragonfly like. That way, you don't need clunky metal flapping wings that couldn't possible generate thrust since you have thin, light material made of some kind of composite that flaps about as fast as a helicopter's blades spin. Which is nothing more than a blur of motion 90% of the time.
An example of this done right (and on a very slim budget) is the moths in 'Lexx', for those old enough to remember it.
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And now I feel old...
This is why I'm saddened that Arthur P. Jacobs and the production crew/writers of the 1968 Planet Of The Apes never got to do a film version of Dune; I'll bet that their version would've been a lot like the end of the Planet Of Apes, including a scene like this or similar to it.
Now this is unexpected. Oscar Isaac as Leto.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/oscar-isaac-could-rule-arrakis-in-denis-villeneuves-dun-1832163655/amp
https://io9.gizmodo.com/oscar-isaac-could-rule-arrakis-in-denis-villeneuves-dun-1832163655/amp
Oh, wow! That's very good casting!
I got to say, Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto is perfect casting. As soon as I heard that my immediate reaction was "that is so right."
