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Aww, how cute. Let's paint the anti-bigot as a closet white supremacist or whatever? Nope.
The modern bigotry comes in the form of assumptions equally as racist as old stereotypes. My favorite go-to example is the radio ad that was played frequently last year, purportedly as a pro-diversity ad. In it, one person talks about their neighborhood as everyone looking "just like me", as another voice talks about their neighborhood full of people who look different. The lesson of the ad was that the latter person got exposed to different ideas, as if the color of a person's skin dictates their thoughts and attitudes.
That's just as racist as some old hick from the sticks not liking the people 'across the tracks', except inverting the racist idea as a positive. People are individuals, not colors. Judge them by their character… it’s not written on the outside.
Now, can we get back to Discovery, or do you want to keep slinging accusations at me?
The uniform change, for one.
It was a couple years before the Ent-D got the DS9 uniforms, so no, the uniform change means squat.
I don't follow.
That is a profound misreading of Dr. King's message. His dream was of an idealized world where you would only be "judged" on the content of your character rather than the color of your skin. He didn't say you have to be colorblind, just that you shouldn't judge someone based on their skin color. Nor was he under any illusion that that was the world he was living in at the time, and it's not the world we're living in today. White people in the US and Europe have the luxury of "not seeing race" because we're in the dominant majority and don't have to deal with systemic racial bias. Minorities are frequently reminded that their skin color sets them apart from the majority and thus often draw strength and solidarity in their identity, and use it to support others like them in need of assistance. Dr. King didn't oppose that. Until racial bias is a thing of the past, which is sadly still a long ways off, we can't afford to be colorblind.
But I really don't see what this has to do with the topic, so after whatever you want to say, we should probably just drop this.
That was presumed to be station versus ship, and then a brief (on-screen) transition.
You're suggesting that a ship too far away to join the war got them but not ships at Earth. Huh?
Presumed, so not fact.
They're out on the frontier meeting new species, so starfleet would want the Enterprise crew looking their best.
That’s what I said.
That's part of the problem.
There will always be some idiot somewhere who thinks things about groups, so the 'we can't afford'
sort of thinking will always keep the poison right beside the cup. It needs to *not* be the foremost lens on everyone's mind or else the problem is perpetuated.
Ten idiots who think hazel-eyed people are evil is not important. Endless coverage of them just creates a constant barrage of "eye color awareness" that most people wouldn't even be cognizant of otherwise. In the event individual justice is not served because of eye color bigotry, then absolutely crush the bigot. However, it should be an idea so foreign to everyone that it almost wouldn't occur to anybody in the first place, like assorted white people being racist against other white people. That used to be a thing.
I agree, but would also thank you for this more thoughtful message.
yep. Constitution class ships became the new uniforms early. Not different than what we've historically seen. Also, sending an update to onboard replicators through subspace or whatever is nothing that would be out of the question in standard Treknology
Actually, yes, fact. See "Homefront"(DSN4).
Why would a specific class of ship get the "new" uniforms? Why would Pike change out of it to the old style? Sorry, but none of it makes any sense.
It'd be one thing if the Discoprise was part of a different branch of service, but that's inconsistent with what we have seen and are told in the episode. It was simply an ill-considered change back in a conformist direction, like chopping off the back of the Klingon heads.
Why would DS9?
This is completely consistent with the other Treks.
So he wouldn't look out of place.
nevertheless, we have seen space station personnel wearing standard starfleet uniforms numerous times. so, DS9 being a space station can't be the reason
I don't recall any other starbase's personnel during DS9's run with that uniform, but prior to Generations, for you to use to draw that conclusion.
"Aquiel" is a touch before DS9 and features a subspace relay, "Starship Mine" is an alien array with a Starfleet liaison stationed on the planet. Of the two, "Aquiel" would be your best bet, but still isn't necessarily in your favor.
That said, there *could* be other reasons for the difference, but they have to be at least as consistent as the common ship versus station idea.
questionable
Even in TOS, Constitution (at the time Starship) class were considered very special. And there is some precedence in the real world, as even submarines use different uniforms than surface vessels, at least for a time. It is not unreasonable for such a special class to receive such distinction. Pretty common trope in SF.
Pike would change out of uniform out of respect for uniform of the day aboard Discovery, as likely they are under separate commands in Starfleet. Pike has, thus far, demonstrated a lot of civility and deference to Discovery's current protocols and respecting Saru as acting captain. The uniforms are consistent with that attitude.
1. They are suggested to be the new uniforms, not Connie uniforms or such-and-such command uniforms. After all, even the flight suits got colorized.
2. Why defer if Discovery is overdue for the upgrade and Pike is Captain? That's what I was trying to get Tuskin to ponder.
Anyway, chances are that whatever creative idea you or I could come up with right this second will be contradicted soon enough.
2. Why defer if Discovery is overdue for the upgrade and Pike is Captain? That's what I was trying to get Tuskin to ponder.
Anyway, chances are that whatever creative idea you or I could come up with right this second will be contradicted soon enough.
3. It's just minutia and not worth the worry. It has both real world precedent and in universe precedent so it makes sense as anything else.
Why defer? Because Pike is polite. He has a specific mission and that mission does not involve ordering the Discovery to change uniforms.
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