According to the illustrations BobyE and Bernd Schneider did for Ex Astris Scientia, the Reliant, Grissom and Saratoga have the same size stations, but they're supposedly packed closer together, giving each bridge a smaller diameter, and Grissom specifically has fewer of them.
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TVH is a beautiful looking film, not a movie, but a film; I love the color contrasts throughout the film, Donny. Paramount Pictures needs to produce a full restoration of their highest grossing Star Trek film ever made. It's a shame it hasn't been done.You're right. I just fired up my copy of TVH to take this shot. Obviously, they aren't even in the center of the bridge anymore, as the captain's chair has been moved onto the floor of the damage control module, and the helm lifted up as well. This was all to give the illusion they're on a smaller bridge.
Unfortunately, making an oval or smaller bridge would mean I'd have to make a whole new set of bridge modules at different radii, so if I do depict the Grissom or Saratoga using the pieces I've made, they will unfortunately have to be at the full bridge radius. Unless I decide to take on that laborious task at a later date.
Donny, regarding the STIV bridge graphics:
I remember a few years back there was an auction for a production binder that had the complete Okudagrams for the bridge, BoP, and other 24th century sets from the film. I believe a member here snapped up that binder - maybe Joe Ralat?
Here's the only image I snagged from the listing while it was still on eBay:
I remember a few years back there was an auction for a production binder that had the complete Okudagrams for the bridge, BoP, and other 24th century sets from the film. I believe a member here snapped up that binder - maybe Joe Ralat?
Here's the only image I snagged from the listing while it was still on eBay:
The Saratoga's bridge, seen in TVH, used this same layout, albeit with updated bridge graphics, darker lighting, and what would appear to be yet another repaint.
I never looked at these graphics this closely before, but it looks like pretty much all of them are new. Looks a lot more polished than the ones in TSFS. Almost looks like some of the round CRTs were replaced with a more square-ish screen. It's a shame that after all the work that went into updated these consoles that they were all gutted out for the Enterprise A Bridge. I don't think it would have detracted any to keep the Saratoga graphics up with the new white paint job and touch pad controls.
Amazing work as usual. And those seat covers look dead on. I have mixed feelings on the TWOK era slip covers. I flipped back and forth over the years, but I finally settled on disliking them for TWOK, but liking them for TSFS. Only because the sea-shell like pattern kinda goes with the pattern on Kirk's civilian shirt in TSFS (my mind works in weird ways).
@Donny Sorry for the double post - I just had a thought on the TVH graphics. Wasn’t the helm console in STV and VI the same one from the other movies (with a new front piece)? If so, is it possible that the helm panel in STV had it’s TVH graphics on it still? Kinda a long shot but if it did that would make it a little easier when you get to doing that bridge version.
Though to be screen accurate, you will probably have to texture it as though there about nine layers of paint on the walls, so some subtle bubbling and blistering wffects will need to be added ;-)
Though to be screen accurate, you will probably have to texture it as though there about nine layers of paint on the walls, so some subtle bubbling and blistering wffects will need to be added ;-)
It occurs to me that I might have some post-TVH fan-made books that have console illustrations in them. I can’t speak to their accuracy, but using what’s been shown here I might be able to at least verify some of it. Problem is, all those books are still in boxes after my pair of moves (one cross-country) in the basement somewhere. I’ll have to do some digging.
I guess they could have done it that way, assuming it hadn't been modified too much for TNG. The console in TFF is in fact quite different from the one in TVH however. Honestly, I think it looks a lot better. It looks more planned out and not like something done quickly for the last few seconds of the movie.
Yeah, I can see now that those are completely different graphics. The TVH ones had white outlines and more color than the TFF version.
One other place where they *might* have been present is the TNG episode “The Battle”. There they redressed the battle bridge set to be the Stargazer bridge, using many of the TVH Enterprise graphics. They also brought in the helm console, which in theory should still be in its TVH Enterprise A configuration. Unfortunately the best screen cap of it I could find isn’t very helpful, but if there are any behin the scenes photos or materials from that episode perhaps there are better views to be found.
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x09/thebattle_hd_410.jpg
One other place where they *might* have been present is the TNG episode “The Battle”. There they redressed the battle bridge set to be the Stargazer bridge, using many of the TVH Enterprise graphics. They also brought in the helm console, which in theory should still be in its TVH Enterprise A configuration. Unfortunately the best screen cap of it I could find isn’t very helpful, but if there are any behin the scenes photos or materials from that episode perhaps there are better views to be found.
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x09/thebattle_hd_410.jpg
Yes I own them..It has every graphic in the movie...Klingon, all the federation ships starbases..ets.. I Also have a full blueprint set of the Klingon ship.
Donny, regarding the STIV bridge graphics:
I remember a few years back there was an auction for a production binder that had the complete Okudagrams for the bridge, BoP, and other 24th century sets from the film. I believe a member here snapped up that binder - maybe Joe Ralat?
Here's the only image I snagged from the listing while it was still on eBay:
This shot makes it look like both the Helm and Nav stations blew out at some point: there's massive holes in the glass surface of the console.
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x09/thebattle_hd_449.jpg
This shot from earlier in the episode shows Data at one of the aft stations, and that console clearly has the TVH Okudagrams, with the angular outlines around each cluster of buttons, and the buttons themselves being oval-shaped (whereas the TFF/TUC style were rounded squares).
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x09/thebattle_hd_165.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x09/thebattle_hd_449.jpg
This shot from earlier in the episode shows Data at one of the aft stations, and that console clearly has the TVH Okudagrams, with the angular outlines around each cluster of buttons, and the buttons themselves being oval-shaped (whereas the TFF/TUC style were rounded squares).
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x09/thebattle_hd_165.jpg
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Donny, if you're going to do the Saratoga and Grissom, I would just do them up as full bridges and maybe raise the center platform. I'd rather see them as full blown bridges in your style. 
Or another option would be to make the bridge a teardrop for those ships instead of an oval. That way you only would have to do up one or two stations in the back of the bridge as the off ones.
Or another option would be to make the bridge a teardrop for those ships instead of an oval. That way you only would have to do up one or two stations in the back of the bridge as the off ones.Well shoot - someone took a sledgehammer to the plexiglas on the helm console. Guess that explains why graphics on it TFF were different.
Are we sure they didn't just build a new helm console for TFF?
That looks like one of the freestanding TNG Transporter consoles, but with a flipped support. I wonder if they just grabbed one and and slapped in whatever TVH graphics they could fit.
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/season-5/5x02/darmok-hd-311.jpg
Oh wow! Thanks for sharing this image. This will be a great help, even with how limited it is.Donny, regarding the STIV bridge graphics:
I remember a few years back there was an auction for a production binder that had the complete Okudagrams for the bridge, BoP, and other 24th century sets from the film. I believe a member here snapped up that binder - maybe Joe Ralat?
Here's the only image I snagged from the listing while it was still on eBay:
I thumbed through my Mr. Scott's Guide this morning and realized there are quite a few more viewscreen graphics featured in that book than I remembered, but sorely lacking are the actual console control graphics. This image helps with that, so thanks!
Ooh! That would be nice! Let me know what you can share.
Would you graciously be willing to share the images of the Ent-A graphics in that binder? How about providing some scans to use as reference and help to make some nice renders of a screen-accurate TVH Ent-A bridge a reality?
They may have. Having modeled both consoles now, they are the same dimensions, curvature, etc (the only difference is that the gap at the bottom end of the console was filled in for TFF/TUC). But this doesn't necessarily mean they didn't build a new one. But given Star Trek's history of reuse, I'd always assumed they'd just modified the TMP/TWOK helm. Argh. Who knows?
Is the helm console in there? Any insight as to what's there?
As with the helm/nav in TFF and TUC, my guess is it was a rebuilt version of the one used from Treks I-IV. Though I can't be certain. As with those aft stations on the Stargazer, they took the port and starboard standing consoles that were used in the battle bridge, gave one of 'em TVH controls and made the other one look damaged.
I wonder if Donny might consider doing any for the Enterprise's sister ships. Different color schemes, etc. I had one idea that the aft part would be internal security, with science and communications flanking it directly and the turbolifts being moved a bit more off to the side a la TUC.
Furthermore, I did consider that the TVH displays weren't always showing those "doughnut" monitors, but circular versions of those rectangular okudagrams commonly seen on the TFF / TUC bridge. The outer part would be a blue/green circle, the upper part would be the actual monitor with a lower part with the numeric code and other number blocks.
I wonder if Donny might consider doing any for the Enterprise's sister ships. Different color schemes, etc. I had one idea that the aft part would be internal security, with science and communications flanking it directly and the turbolifts being moved a bit more off to the side a la TUC.
Furthermore, I did consider that the TVH displays weren't always showing those "doughnut" monitors, but circular versions of those rectangular okudagrams commonly seen on the TFF / TUC bridge. The outer part would be a blue/green circle, the upper part would be the actual monitor with a lower part with the numeric code and other number blocks.
There was also the Yorktown in TVH, that had to use a solar sail to get somewhere after getting bonked by the whale probe. IIRC, however, the background was far too dark and out of focus to see how the walls were painted. On second thought, they probably just reused the Saratoga configuration for that quick sequence. Which brings me to my next quandary - why did they squash down the Saratoga's bridge layout similarly to the Grissom's, when it was clear that they had a generally intact and correctly-assembled bridge for the E-A at the end of the film? The Sartoga should have had the exact same layout as the Reliant at the very least, which was also intact, albeit rearranged. Makes no sense.
