Uhura's Birthplace?

[1001001]

Until I see a long-form birth certificate, I’m withholding judgment.

 

[Greg Cox]

I personally prefer Nyota and wish they'd worked it into one of the movies.

Well, it finally made it into the 2009 movie, and has since been retroactively applied to the version of the character played by Nichelle Nichols with regards to magazine articles, reference books, merchandise, etc.

 

[Sareesataka]

Wakanda.

Wakanda Forever!

 

[Commishsleer]

If Roddenberry wanted Sulu to have a first name circa 1968, why doesn't a first name — any first name — show up in a single piece of paperwork generated during the production of the original television series?

And if a name was established in 1968, why did it take until 1981 for it to show up in print? Vonda McIntyre says that she invented the name for Star Trek: The Entropy Effect.

So, for the scenario that Takei suggests to be accurate, it would mean that Roddenberry came up with the name, but never wrote it down or told anyone about it, and that Vonda McIntyre happened to come up with the exact same name independently, and only after it appeared in her book did it start being used elsewhere.

Yeah, he's giving Roddenberry undeserved credit on this one.

Assuming McIntyre did invent the name - when Takei and GR were asked for approval maybe Takei (wrongly) assumed that it was GR asking for the approval.
And then maybe Takei just assumed GR always had the name in mind from 1968, but as you say strangely never mentioned it to anyone.

 

[Phaser Two]

Most likely.

It was either that or Eastern COalitioN.

Thanks.

Well, it finally made it into the 2009 movie, and has since been retroactively applied to the version of the character played by Nichelle Nichols with regards to magazine articles, reference books, merchandise, etc.

Sure. All of which is good (although in retrospect I am finding the Abrams movies less and less appealing, only 9.5 years after the first one). I just wish they had worked it into TUC (if not earlier) as they did Hikaru. IIRC Hikaru was repeated in Generations as well. Seems like there was room for a Nyota in there too.

 

[Nyotarules]

Wakanda.

Wakanda Forever!

In my fanon Wakanda came out of hiding and rebuilt Africa after the First Contact movie

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I personally prefer Nyota and wish they'd worked it into one of the movies.

Well, they did. Just not until 2009. But I thought that that was a nice tip of the hat to fans, just like using the novels' names of George and Winona Kirk for Kirk's parents. They didn't have to include those Easter eggs, but they did.

See the evolution of the Nichelle Nichols/MLK Jr. story over the years, for instance.

Is that documented anywhere? @Harvey, is this one of the things you've tackled before? Or has it been covered on Star Trek Fact Check?

If Roddenberry wanted Sulu to have a first name circa 1968, why doesn't a first name — any first name — show up in a single piece of paperwork generated during the production of the original television series?

And if a name was established in 1968, why did it take until 1981 for it to show up in print? Vonda McIntyre says that she invented the name for Star Trek: The Entropy Effect.

So, for the scenario that Takei suggests to be accurate, it would mean that Roddenberry came up with the name, but never wrote it down or told anyone about it, and that Vonda McIntyre happened to come up with the exact same name independently, and only after it appeared in her book did it start being used elsewhere.

Yeah, he's giving Roddenberry undeserved credit on this one.

BOOM!!! Down goes Frazier!! Down goes Frazier!!! Thanks, Harvey!

Until I see a long-form birth certificate, I’m withholding judgment.

Assuming McIntyre did invent the name - when Takei and GR were asked for approval maybe Takei (wrongly) assumed that it was GR asking for the approval.
And then maybe Takei just assumed GR always had the name in mind from 1968,

This seems logical to me. It can be easy for erroneous initial assumptions to get cemented as fact into your memory over the years, especially when you're repeating stories over several decades.

I just wish they had worked it into TUC (if not earlier) as they did Hikaru. IIRC Hikaru was repeated in Generations as well.

Yes. Kirk asks Demora, "Hikaru Sulu is your father?" And apparently "Hikaru" was used in TUC just because Peter David happened to be visiting George Takei on the set during a day when they were filming the Excelsior bridge scenes and he suggested that they include the name in the log entry he was recording. Let's face it, it's much more likely that a ST superfan like PAD would remember Sulu's first name than the actor playing him would if the first name had never been used onscreen.

 

[Mysterion]

names of George and Winona Kirk for Kirk's parents. They didn't have to include those Easter eggs, but they did.
Is that documented anywhere? @Harvey, is this one of the things you've tackled before? Or has it been covered on Star Trek Fact Check?

See this thread for starters: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/nicholss-mlk-story-latest-re-telling.126759/

 

[JonnyQuest037]

See this thread for starters: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/nicholss-mlk-story-latest-re-telling.126759/

Thanks!

 

[Harvey]

Is that documented anywhere? @Harvey, is this one of the things you've tackled before? Or has it been covered on Star Trek Fact Check?

@Maurice and I are working on something about this...

 

[Maurice]

@Maurice and I are working on something about this...

And boy howdy is that thing a twisted ball of twine.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

@Maurice and I are working on something about this...

Looking forward to seeing it! I'm sure it'll be the definitive word on the subject.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Aberdeen

Uhura's ancestors invented vodka and sold the recipe to a little old lady from Leningrad.

 

[LizStargaryen]

I prefer Nyota to Penda. Glad the former became canon.

 

[Neopeius]

For cringe-reduction purposes, I think we're saying Nomad's brain scan temporarily suppressed parts of her long-term memory, and the re-education lessons proved to be unnecessary.

Nomad was hardly all-knowing when it came to what his actions would do to a human brain.

Or deleted the files as we delete them today -- the data is still there, just inaccessible (until overwritten). Lest that sound too contemporary computery, remember that Nomad was launched in the early 21st Century!

 

[johnnybear]

Wasn't nomad launched in 2002/03? I'm sure I could make that out on the schematic that Spock puts on the viewer? If it was then it was sent off without a word that or we all missed it or it's the Mandela effect yet again?
JB

 

[Timo]

They piggybacked it on the launch with COSPAR number 2002-45 (Hispasat 1D, I think), hence the lowercase b.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Wasn't nomad launched in 2002/03? I'm sure I could make that out on the schematic that Spock puts on the viewer? If it was then it was sent off without a word that or we all missed it or it's the Mandela effect yet again?

The final draft script says 2002, according to The Star Trek Chronology book. In the finished episode, Kirk just says that it was launched in the early 2000s.

 

[johnnybear]

I wonder if there is a man called Jackson Roykirk living somewhere in the world today?
JB

 

[Timo]

Or a man named Singh? Perhaps somebody could look it up on the internet or something?

Timo Saloniemi