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Spock as a mystic in Season 2

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So, we do know in general the reason why Vulcans suppress their emotions is because of how strongly they feel them as opposed to humans correct? Basically, a Vulcan can either have strict mental discipline or else risk falling into paranoia and bloodlust.

The thing is, Spock is only half Vulcan. Presuming he's really roughly halfway between humans and Vulcans, that means one might expect that it's less dangerous to be emotionally uncontrolled for him than an average Vulcan - albeit much more dangerous than for a Human. Hence he can walk the line - and even stumble over it from time to time - without really risking his sanity. He stays under control emotionally more due to his own internalized identity as being "fully Vulcan" than any real need to do so.
Without emotional suppression, they're Romulans and prone to doing bad things.

Although they never really depicted Romulans as having anger issues in general, in fact most were quite human. Just that one rapey Vulcan in ENT.
 
This is a "Mystic" to me...

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Not this...

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(actually, the 2nd pic screams ELF to me) :biggrin:
 
I guess I'm just struck by the religious nature or symbolism of Spock being visited or communicated with by an angelic being and being given prophetic, apocalyptic visions, and Spock responds to that not like a scientific skeptic would, but like a prophet or missionary, it seems he believes and becomes inspired by this red angel, maybe mystic is the wrong word.
 
I guess I'm just struck by the religious nature or symbolism of Spock being visited or communicated with by an angelic being and being given prophetic, apocalyptic visions, and Spock responds to that not like a scientific skeptic would, but like a prophet or missionary, it seems he believes and becomes inspired by this red angel, maybe mystic is the wrong word.
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I guess I'm just struck by the religious nature or symbolism of Spock being visited or communicated with by an angelic being and being given prophetic, apocalyptic visions, and Spock responds to that not like a scientific skeptic would, but like a prophet or missionary, it seems he believes and becomes inspired by this red angel, maybe mystic is the wrong word.
Why would a telepathic being who can actually point to his religious prophet's direct writings (And who, presumably still has his head living in T'Pau, whom Spock has met). This is a character who will in the course of his life be dead and return to life, dedicate his life to a religious practice, meet actual gods, encounter a sentient gateway older than time, observe first-hand Kirk's ego, etc

Why, in a Trek world where the spirit is nearly as incarnate as the physical realm, would this fashionable skepticism be anything other than a sea anchor to learning?
 
I guess I'm just struck by the religious nature or symbolism of Spock being visited or communicated with by an angelic being and being given prophetic, apocalyptic visions, and Spock responds to that not like a scientific skeptic would, but like a prophet or missionary, it seems he believes and becomes inspired by this red angel, maybe mystic is the wrong word.
Even though Vulcans believe in eternal spirits?

I'm failing to see the conflict, when Vulcan spiritual beliefs are well established, as well as time travel.

Secondarily, we have a brief clip in a trailer with little context. Speculation here needs more information.
 
He may have benefited from some of the inward contemplation of his personal mind-body spirituality* that some mystics practice.

Look at Tuvoc; he used meditation and inward contemplation as an exploration of "self" in a way that helped him control his emotions and, frankly, to try to be the best Vulcan he could be. That type of contemplation of the self through meditation and reflection to become intimately familiar with one's self, including emotions, is something I suspect (going by what we have seen in various Star Treks) is common among Vulcans.

*And I use "spirituality" in the non-religious way. A mind-body spirituality that has no affiliation with a supreme deity, but rather is about fine tuning the the conscious and subconscious self.
What you describe above was generally depicted in Ent season 4. We were shown that Vulcan society went through a spiritual/cultural renaissance led by T'Pau and her followers. It was a rediscovery of the teachings of Surak and a re-dedication to the principles of self reflection through meditation.

So a move toward spiritualism by Spock (if that's what we see in S2) would not be a total surprise to me.
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What you describe above was generally depicted in Ent season 4. We were shown that Vulcan society went through a spiritual/cultural renaissance led by T'Pau and her followers. It was a rediscovery of the teachings of Surak and a re-dedication to the principles of self reflection through meditation.

So a move toward spiritualism by Spock (if that's what we see in S2) would not be a total surprise to me.
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Heh ...
For many of us that spent quite a bit of time around here during ENTERPRISEs' first run...

Who'd a thunk anyone would be using that series to back up a talking point now!!
<chuckle>
 
Just a thought. I wonder if Spock might be recovering from Rigelian Kassaba fever at the start of the season? According to Memory Alpha Spock first suffered from this condition [edit: around) 2258, the same year that season 2 of Discovery is set. Link
 
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Just a thought. I wonder if Spock might be recovering from Rigelian Kassaba fever at the start of the season? According to Memory Alpha Spock first suffered from this condition in 2258, the same year that season 2 of Discovery is set. Link
Season 2 is set in 2257, not 58
 
Season 2 is set in 2257, not 58
True, but give or take a couple of months. The end of season 1 is set towards the end of 2257. I should have stated that Spock's illness was, according to Memory Alpha, "around this year", it is not a precise date.
 
So, we do know in general the reason why Vulcans suppress their emotions is because of how strongly they feel them as opposed to humans correct? Basically, a Vulcan can either have strict mental discipline or else risk falling into paranoia and bloodlust.

That's pretty much it, yeah.

Vulcan emotions are much rawer and more dangerous than human ones. Back in the pre-Surak times, Vulcans were extremely violent - much worse than any era in human history (IIRC, at its worst time, there was no more than 10% of the Vulcan population which was NOT at war). So that's why Vulcans embraced the system of logic and emotional control which Surak proposed - they HAD to, in order for the species to survive.

And it's why Vulcans still have to struggle every day to suppress their emotions. If they let it out, they'd die.
 
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Just a thought. I wonder if Spock might be recovering from Rigelian Kassaba fever at the start of the season? According to Memory Alpha Spock first suffered from this condition [edit: around) 2258, the same year that season 2 of Discovery is set. Link
It that anything like the Boogie Fever? ( I think it's going around.)
 
That's pretty much it, yeah.

Vulcan emotions are much rawer and more dangerous than human ones. Back in the pre-Surak times, Vulcans were extremely violent - much worse than any era in human history (IIRC, at its worst time, there was no more than 10% of the Vulcan population which was NOT at war). So that's why Vulcans embraced the system of logic and emotional control which Surak proposed - they HAD to, in order for the species to survive.

And it's why Vulcans still have to struggle every day to suppress their emotions. If they let it out, they'd die.
And yet, once about every Seven years, Male Vulcans have to "let their hair down", so to speak or Die.

Very peculiar, these Vulcanites are, I tell you!
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