Warner bros announce superhero films through 2020
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More reason we should of gotten a stand alone movie first. The idea of watching a movie about Batman descend into the very thing he wanted to fight against in the first place sounds fantastic to me and especially if it all comes at the hands of Joker. I also like the idea of Batman being an Urban myth despite years of crime fighting, almost like the criminal underworld were too scared to even acknowledge his existence.
After I first saw the Extended Cut it occurred to me it should have been revealed that Luthor had drugged Bruce. Once he discovered who Batman was he used his resources to alter those painkiller we see him taking before they are delivered to him. It would explain his paranoia, dark dreams
^You're correct, but what you haven't done - with this or anything else you complain about in regards to these movies - is explain why this is a problem.
He spent 18 of those 20 years either on the Kent farm (likely with nearly zero awareness of distant urban myths) or wandering around rural North America on a journey of self discovery. When exactly would he have been sufficiently focused on Batman in any capacity during that time to form a cogent opinion on Batman’s behaviour?
I don't understand this comment. What are you talking about? In "BvS", Superman had lived in Metropolis for only two years. Which means that he had only been aware of Batman for two years or less. We don't even know how long he had been investigating Batman's activities during those two years. We don't know exactly when Batman began being more violent toward those criminals he captured, between the events of "Man of Steel" and "BvS".
As you accurately point out, Clark would not have focused on a "Batman" (who may or may not have been an urban legend during that long period), but don't try explaining logical plotting that flowed in a natural manner.
It might be easier to just have characters spewing quips while dodging CG light shows.
That in all the time he wandered the country he never felt he should do something about this violent vigilante he disapproved of. He acts like he never even heard of Batman until BvS.
Why not?
No, just acting coherently.
I'll probably hate myself later for getting involved, but ...
In MoS, Clark wanders the world not getting involved in anything that isn't right in front of his nose (like the oil platform), and even then he sometimes stays out of a fight (like with the jerk at the bar), because that's the lesson Jonathan taught him, to keep himself hidden. To expect him to seek out the Batman, even if he'd heard of him at this point, to confront him is missing the mindset the character was in at that time.
And even if he'd be in a more hands-on mindset at this point in his life, a vigilante with slightly questionable methods in a crime-ridden city is nothing compared to wars, famines, natural disasters, and what else is going on in the world. Why on Earth would Clark choose this vigilante, who might very well be an urban legend, as the one thing he has to go up against? No, it needed Clark to get out in the open as Superman, to get involved in human affairs, to move to the city neighboring the Batman's, to see the Batman's methods escalate, and even then to be coaxed into confronting Batman by Luthor's messages, and even then he just warned Batman off. He had to be blackmailed to actually go fight Batman.
In MoS, Clark wanders the world not getting involved in anything that isn't right in front of his nose (like the oil platform), and even then he sometimes stays out of a fight (like with the jerk at the bar), because that's the lesson Jonathan taught him, to keep himself hidden. To expect him to seek out the Batman, even if he'd heard of him at this point, to confront him is missing the mindset the character was in at that time.
And even if he'd be in a more hands-on mindset at this point in his life, a vigilante with slightly questionable methods in a crime-ridden city is nothing compared to wars, famines, natural disasters, and what else is going on in the world. Why on Earth would Clark choose this vigilante, who might very well be an urban legend, as the one thing he has to go up against? No, it needed Clark to get out in the open as Superman, to get involved in human affairs, to move to the city neighboring the Batman's, to see the Batman's methods escalate, and even then to be coaxed into confronting Batman by Luthor's messages, and even then he just warned Batman off. He had to be blackmailed to actually go fight Batman.
I am not sure if this has been mentioned yet - in a number of interviews director James Wan says he was offered Aquaman or The Flash. He specifically chose Aquaman. Largely because there is already a version of The Flash on television. He also mentions it being the second, following the series in the 1990s. Bottom line, he wanted to tackle a character that was mostly unknown. Also a challenge, Aquaman was considered a joke for decades. There was huge surprise from many at DC and WB when he made that choice.
Look how well it has turned out! For a long time I have felt that is what DC Comics needs for making its films. Finding filmmakers who are really passionate about exploring characters. It should not matter if they are cool or preceived as A list. Before this they have been guided by their preconceptions of who are their most important characters. But might not mean much outside of comic book readers. They try to sell directors on characters they might not have much passion on at all.
Look how well it has turned out! For a long time I have felt that is what DC Comics needs for making its films. Finding filmmakers who are really passionate about exploring characters. It should not matter if they are cool or preceived as A list. Before this they have been guided by their preconceptions of who are their most important characters. But might not mean much outside of comic book readers. They try to sell directors on characters they might not have much passion on at all.
Exactly. But that requires that one watch the film to understand where Clark's character was (which was sensible) and he was no crimefighter searching the news feeds looking for some vigilante that was more myth (to many outsiders) than reality, particularly one who never visited or lived in Gotham to see it, or read what would be more detailed (local) reporting on the costumed man.
Excellent, rational points. That was not hard to miss by the way MoS and BvS were carefully set up.
They've had that since the beginning.
BvS also had him only just start to notice Batman...despite being in Metropolis for 2 years by that point. And yet he still acts like he never heard of the guy till then.
Stop just saying that this is a problem and start explaining why it's a problem.
Makes his character look a bit flaky. And the setup of the Universe as a whole inconsistent.
That's just more of the same complaining about things being a certain way without explaining why you have a problem with things being that way.
Interesting that Wan specifically mentions the current Flash TV show... now, I think Ezra Miller's character really fit in with the team(i.e. having social misfit/comic relief as part of the crew), but certainly pre-Supergirl, Green Arow & Flash would have fit in perfectly with the movies, and it's a shame that WB didn't see what Wan saw - the characters are already out there.
Wel, also what Wan said... that somw of those characters have already had recent characterization. Wonder WOman hasn't seen new live action in 40 years, so Patty Jenkins' version was very well received and i really didn't hear much comparison with the TV show.
it should be noted that Geoff Johns co-wrote both WW & Aquaman, whereas Johns didn't seem to have as much influence over Man of Steel & B v S .
I think the problem isn't so much passion as much as understanding what part of a character can/should change and how those changes can/should affect the character. I haven't heard any serious complaints about WOnder Woman and Aquaman...whereas Superman, for me, for every "good change" (like Clark being helped like a special needs kid by his mom as a child) is sabotaged by somethign else (such as his mom being a bitter old woman by B v S)
By the way...back to my resurrection reply, which was never truly answered... what DC FU movies are actually slated to 2020? It seems like a moving target, and far different than this back in the day
I agree, as an adaptation of Charlton Comics, Watchmen really never quite hit the mark. (tongue in cheek) Moore needs to get his head out of the clouds and realizes he's part and parcel like everyone else in the industry. He's listen to his dearest fans too much over the years and now he's just a parody of himself.