Question: Where is it explicitly said that Kirk took command immediately after Pike?

[Lord Garth]

Come to think of it, Voyager trying to revive and duplicate the Spore Drive sounds right up their ally. Biotechnobabble and all. It would make for the perfect Voyager episode. The entire thing instantly popped into my head. Unfortunately for them, their attempt to duplicate it would go wrong... just like all their attempts to get home. Something would happen.

 

[fireproof78]

Imagine a Federation that would condemn Voyager's crew to a 75 year journey because one engineer getting high on sporestuff for one jump was unacceptable

I don't have to- Voyager refused to use the Warp 10 tech past a couple of attempts even though human evolution can be cured by the Doctor.

 

[Dukhat]

I don't have to- Voyager refused to use the Warp 10 tech past a couple of attempts even though human evolution can be cured by the Doctor.

I thought we already established that Janeway was incompetent?

 

[fireproof78]

I thought we already established that Janeway was incompetent?

Well, you and I had

 

[Vger23]

It’s Star Trek, they always find some silly way to explain it away.

HOW DARE YOU!!!???

Star Trek is the culmination of one man's extraordinary vision of the future. It is a thinking-person's science fiction property (not just for the stoopid masses, but for truly smart people, like those on this and other Internet boards). It is a comprehensive, 50-year story that weaves together perfectly and shows us all how great humanity can become.

To infer that it has silliness scattered carelessly throughout and that it sometimes dismisses or ignores elements from within its own sacred and virtually flawless continuity is frankly OFFENSIVE.

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[Kemaiku]

And aren't we forgetting that the Equinox did use sapient beings to augment their warp drive.

What the hell was stopping them using them to create a spore drive?

Or the Borg once they either discovered the network or assimilated the knowledge from the Federation.

Or the Klingons/Romulans after the Tal Shiar etc steal the information.

Section 31 alone would not be above using people to continue it's operation.

Something actually has to go really terribly wrong for everyone that uses it for all unethical and smarter races to not use it either.

 

[Vger23]

Something actually has to go really terribly wrong for everyone that uses it for all unethical and smarter races to not use it either.

No reason to believe that this isn't precisely what will happen. So, I'm not sure what all the angst is about.

 

[Tuskin38]

What the hell was stopping them using them to create a spore drive?

They didn't know about it.

 

[Kemaiku]

They didn't know about it.

They didn't remember a fleetwide refit operation in the 2250's to give Starfleet an instant jump drive, that someone onboard had to remember from history class, and institute their own version?

Hmm.

 

[Timo]

Oh, that depends. Does Pike know about it? We'll soon find out.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tuskin38]

They didn't remember a fleetwide refit operation in the 2250's to give Starfleet an instant jump drive

What fleet wide refit? Nothing like that was ever stated.

 

[Lord Garth]

They didn't remember a fleetwide refit operation in the 2250's to give Starfleet an instant jump drive, that someone onboard had to remember from history class, and institute their own version?

Hmm.

The only ship that's using it is Discovery. That's why I said to King Daniel earlier, let's see if they actually go on to use it on other ships. I don't think they will.

And it's 120 years later. They can't be blamed for not thinking of it. How much do any of us remember from the 1890s if we're not history buffs? And what if the Spore Drive is banned due to ethical reasons? Starfleet would try to suppress instructions on how to put it together. It wouldn't be on the Federation Database. So the engineers on Equinox (and Voyager, for that matter) would have to figure out how to put it together from scratch.

Equinox had limited resources as it was. Half their crew gone. Probably nowhere near anywhere to put together a spore drive. Constant attack. There are several factors. They probably thought their Slimer Drive was the way to go. If they didn't use Slimer for Warp Jumps, they would've used Slimer to navigate the Spore Drive. But, if they can't put it together, they can't have a Spore Drive.

And the obvious thing that I can't believe no one has mentioned yet: Kurtzman probably wants the Picard Series and Discovery to be in the same canon. And the Picard Series is a sequel to TNG. They're not going to tell all the Gen Xers flocking to the series "TNG, the series of your childhood, never happened!" They won't do it because they want Gen Xers, Xennials (like me), and Older Millennials to be excited about the series and that the Picard we all grew up with is back. So if DSC is compatible with the Picard Series, it'll have to be compatible with TNG/DS9/VOY.

So the Spore Drive has to be abandoned due to reasons we'll see. As I said, the whole situation with Stamets sold me on how dicey it is. If it doesn't sell other people on what's wrong with it, I understand, but I think something is bound to go horribly, horribly wrong. "Calypso" probably figures into it too. That wasn't some random adventure. Even though it works very effectively as one.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Didn't Cornwell say some other ships were being fitted with Spore Drives?

 

[Tuskin38]

Didn't Cornwell say some other ships were being fitted with Spore Drives?

They were going to start doing it after Discovery's successful test, but that doesn't mean it had started yet. The war going badly may have delayed things.

 

[Kemaiku]

What fleet wide refit? Nothing like that was ever stated.

Admiral Cornwall said they were trying their hardest to modify the fleet to use the sporedrive, or is even dialogue not counted now?

Didn't Cornwell say some other ships were being fitted with Spore Drives?

Shhhh, you know evidence of canon is evil in this forum.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Shhhh, you know evidence of canon is evil in this forum.

I must be from the Mirror Universe then. Who wants some Kelpian burgers?

 

[Kemaiku]

I must be from the Mirror Universe then. Who wants some Kelpian burgers?

Fish man burgers? maaaaaybe not.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The only ship that's using it is Discovery. That's why I said to King Daniel earlier, let's see if they actually go on to use it on other ships. I don't think they will.

And it's 120 years later. They can't be blamed for not thinking of it. How much do any of us remember from the 1890s if we're not history buffs? And what if the Spore Drive is banned due to ethical reasons? Starfleet would try to suppress instructions on how to put it together. It wouldn't be on the Federation Database. So the engineers on Equinox (and Voyager, for that matter) would have to figure out how to put it together from scratch.

It's GODMODE technology. I can imagine it being buried for a time (although I'd suggest the technology and knowledge of it has spread too far for a Transwarp beaming-style confiscation), but it's the kind of thing that will be rediscovered again and again.

These people explore space for a living. The knowledge that one of their predecessors had a means to teleport anywhere in the universe on a whim... it would be everyone's dream.

 

[Kemaiku]

It's GODMODE technology. I can imagine it being buried for a time (although I'd suggest the technology and knowledge of it has spread too far for a Transwarp beaming-style confiscation), but it's the kind of thing that will be rediscovered again and again.

These people explore space for a living. The knowledge that one of their predecessors had a means to teleport anywhere in the universe on a whim... it would be everyone's dream.

Besides, they had enough information to recreate clothes from the 2060's when there was nearly no technology for people to be taking endless selfies. Mission patches from pre-Starfleet missions. The complete schematics of every previous starship, the names of everyone who served on them, the amount of details they have from WW3 to TNG makes our level of intrusive observation pale in comparison.

A drive that beats all others, that stopped a major war that almost reached Earth, conquering 25% of the Federation, murdered millions in weeks, that could end *all living matter everywhere and when* gets shelved?

You have to be fucking kidding me a secret that massive could possibly be hushed. You'd have to murder hundreds of people, vapourise Discovery, delete half the Federation database, hope not one spy knew about it at all...

 

[Lord Garth]

I didn't say Spore Drive would be kept a secret. I said the instructions on how to put one together would be. Two different things.

And yes, people wouldn't be quick to remember it. I don't remember all the details or innovations of the Spanish-American War. History buffs in the Federation probably do remember the Klingon War and are super-knowledgeable about it. Doesn't mean they're engineers who can reverse-engineer an abandoned technology.