He ain't no Captain Kirk is he now!
I was going to say, did he have his ass handed to him but you gave us the answer anyway my Lord!
JB
Kirk's Weaknesses?
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He ain't no Captain Kirk is he now!
I was going to say, did he have his ass handed to him but you gave us the answer anyway my Lord!
JB
^ I guess the world is still in balance. Shatner can act but he can't fight; Floyd Meriweather can fight but he can't act. 
I always liked Shatner's self-effacing qualities, which he apparently developed after TOS (although I've never bought the party line that he was a jerk no one could work with during TOS either). He didn't have to tell that failed-Kirk-flying-kick story. It's a great one.
Someone already said driving. I'll add just crossing the street in the 20th century.
He stuck with the same senior officers for decades. Talk about no career advancement
It seems like that was rather coincidental, though - his senior crew was moving on without him during TMP, while he was desked - and at some point soon after TMP, Spock, Chekov and the rest again moved on or took on new positions on the ship while Kirk was again desked. The senior staff sticking around was more them keeping their postings on the Enterprise. II-V happen one right after the other, so I suppose the only real (oddity?) is Chekov returning to the E full time after he had been 1st officer on the Reliant. After III and IV, they were maybe stuck together due to their newfound fame (infamy?) and glory / public optics, the hero ship and crew staying together to ride off into the sunset together. Kirk really only showed an obsession with the ship/crew in the first movie - drafting McCoy and pulling rank on Decker - but was later quite content to leave Spock in command and did not seem in any hurry to take over until the Genesis incident began to unfold. The V-VI era wasn't really in his control at all - after their mutiny, they seem to have been treated as a group - but that still didn't stop Sulu from departing soon thereafter. I'm not sure I could agree that Kirk went out of his way to keep that core around him on purpose the entire time - his pre TOS days show that he was quite amiable and had close connections throughout the fleet.
^Yeah there is no in universe reason for Chekov to be demoted, unless it was punishment for the Khan incident.
I guess no matter how non military Starfleet likes to say it is, there is no way such senior, experienced officers would stay on the same ship. The only real life reason Sulu was promoted was cos Takei put his foot down. (The same goes for the TNG crew, especially Riker 15 years as an XO, he was either rubbish or would have been snapped up ages ago.) You have to make room at the top for the others coming up the ranks.
Have any novelverse writers dealt with the Chekov demotion or why after TWOK there were two Captains on the Enterprise, Kirk and Spock?
I guess no matter how non military Starfleet likes to say it is, there is no way such senior, experienced officers would stay on the same ship. The only real life reason Sulu was promoted was cos Takei put his foot down. (The same goes for the TNG crew, especially Riker 15 years as an XO, he was either rubbish or would have been snapped up ages ago.) You have to make room at the top for the others coming up the ranks.
Have any novelverse writers dealt with the Chekov demotion or why after TWOK there were two Captains on the Enterprise, Kirk and Spock?
I don't know the answer but honestly, who was going to be the Starfleet admiral who decreed that Kirk and Spock couldn't serve together, even if they were the same rank? Heck, Scotty had the same rank too, which bothered no one either. Of course the movies regrettably removed the "Scotty in command" element almost entirely - a rare instance where the movie producers and writers got something completely wrong, instead of buttressing or even correcting a TOS curiosity.
Right. And he can't do it in City on the Edge of Forever either.
For the sake of a T.V show not going to happen, for an universe scenario- Kirk negotiated to keep his senior crew after saving Earth from the whale probe, after all they had saved Earth twice, he had a lot of favours to call in.
Yes "twice", because if you save Earth from annihilation only once it gets you demoted from Captain to cadet at the drop of a hat!!!
Kirk had a disregard for the orders of his superiors even if he did save the earth and the situation many times over!
JB
JB
Kirk had a disregard for the orders of his superiors even if he did save the earth and the situation many times over!
JB
I'll take disregard and much worse from someone who saved my life!!!
