Harley was probably the most entertaining character in Suicide Squad, well portrayed, engaging, and funny. It makes perfect sense that she would be back.
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I haven't read the comic in nearly a year I thought she was a pretty interesting character in the current comic as well.
Same here, that title strikes me as very much a Harley Quinn type of title.
Because she pretty much was a perfect Harley Quinn.
Harley Quinn is sort of DC's counterpart to Deadpool, a comedic reformed-villain character whose comics tend to get metatextual in their humor, though not out-and-out ignoring the fourth wall to the extent that Deadpool does (DC's fourth-wall-breakers are Ambush Bug and Animal Man to an extent). Done well, she's a fun character with an edge, an irreverent comic antihero.
She started out on Batman: The Animated Series as the Joker's moll, but her outsized personality stood out and her role got bigger and bigger; it became clear that she was in an abusive relationship with the Joker and sometimes struggled futilely to get out, but writer Paul Dini portrayed that relationship with startlingly dark comedy, so that we felt for her and rooted for her to escape but also couldn't help laughing. She became more of an independent character over time, teaming up with Poison Ivy or going solo, but never quite broke free of her obsession for the Joker on the show. However, since then in the comics, she's long since broken free of him and become her own woman with her own storylines. This is one of the reasons the Suicide Squad movie was so gravely disappointing -- because it showed her remaining trapped in her relationship with the Joker and didn't even seem to understand what a tragedy that was. The fact that the new movie has "Emancipation" in the title is an encouraging sign.
^ Okay, but Deadpool is a special forces soldier turned mercenary turned basically unkillable guy, so there's at least some justification for his wisecracking in the face of extreme danger. Whereas Quinn is a psychiatrist who was dumb enough to fall for an imprisoned psychopath, and has no powers? Doesn't sound all that promising to moi...
What does being a merc and unkillable have to do with wisecracking in the face of danger? No powers? So what? Never stopped Batman, Captain America or any number of comic book characters.
Sounds like you're trying real hard to find reasons not to like this film.
What a nonsensical thing to say. If you were genuinely curious, you could just watch some B:TAS episodes or read some comics and find out for yourself. If you're not curious, then asking questions that you're going to reject the answers to out of hand anyway is a pointless thing to do.
And since when did a comics character need superpowers to be interesting, especially in the Batman mythos?
You know, for a product that is very loosely based on characters owned by a major studio (loosely based in that it steals names and literally nothing else from DC Comics characters) and supposedly part of an extended universe, this is still somehow the most blatant vanity project since After Earth. Hell, at least After Earth had Will Smith, even if it was literally the worst performance of his that I've ever seen.
WB sure is putting a lot of effort into flushing money down the toilet for a fairly mediocre actress (and a terrible "Harley Quinn"). Its like what FOX is doing with Jennifer Lawrence in the X-Men movies, except at least she is not playing literally the only focus character and other people still get to do things (they aren't calling the last X-Men movie X-Men: Dark Phoenix and That Marvelous Merrymaking Mutant, Mystique, for example). The fact that they're killing the Birds of Prey as a property worse then the mediocre TV show ever did is what really irritates me. The comics killed off the real harley in 2011, so I don't really give a shit if WB keeps using weird, unrelated female characters named Harley Quinn for movies, I'm used to it. Dragging down one of DC's best superhero teams is just cruel, though.
WB sure is putting a lot of effort into flushing money down the toilet for a fairly mediocre actress (and a terrible "Harley Quinn"). Its like what FOX is doing with Jennifer Lawrence in the X-Men movies, except at least she is not playing literally the only focus character and other people still get to do things (they aren't calling the last X-Men movie X-Men: Dark Phoenix and That Marvelous Merrymaking Mutant, Mystique, for example). The fact that they're killing the Birds of Prey as a property worse then the mediocre TV show ever did is what really irritates me. The comics killed off the real harley in 2011, so I don't really give a shit if WB keeps using weird, unrelated female characters named Harley Quinn for movies, I'm used to it. Dragging down one of DC's best superhero teams is just cruel, though.
Not long ago the internet had a collective nerdgasm over the idea of Ben Affleck producing, writing, directing and starring in a Batman movie, so why is it such a problem now that Margot Robbie has some creative control in this one in her role as the producer?
I'm sure a lot of the objection is mere sexism, but there is a meaningful difference; Affleck has proven himself over the years to be a capable writer, producer, and director, while Robbie has no established reputation as anything but an actress. Actors getting creative control over their own star vehicles has a history of not going well -- see Catwoman, Gigli, and Battlefield Earth for just a few examples.
On the other hand, Robbie was the one who pitched the movie. Does anybody honestly think we'd get a Birds of Prey movie if she hadn't?
I mostly see the usual suspects objecting for their predictable "reasons," which would include: (1) every DC adaptation is completely terrible, sight unseen (insert unhinged and profane hyperbole as to just how terrible); or (2) everything DC does sucks, but MARVEL RUUUULZ!!!Not long ago the internet had a collective nerdgasm over the idea of Ben Affleck producing, writing, directing and starring in a Batman movie, so why is it such a problem now that Margot Robbie has some creative control in this one in her role as the producer?
I think most folks are perfectly pleased at the prospect of more of Robbie's excellent and entertaining Harley.
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Not long ago the internet had a collective nerdgasm over the idea of Ben Affleck producing, writing, directing and starring in a Batman movie, so why is it such a problem now that Margot Robbie has some creative control in this one in her role as the producer?
I personally didn't want Affleck to have anything to do with making a Batman movies, so
That said, Affleck is a much, much better actor then Robbie and has experience making movies (and none of his were vanity projects), so I would rather see an Affleck made Batman then a movie about "Harley Quinn" that only exists for the same reason After Earth, Hudson Hawk and Battlefield Earth exist (aka vain, asshole actors want to make a movie all about them, and fuck everything else). But at least those movies weren't dragging down pre-established characters, and of course Will Smith, Bruce Willis and John Travolta are better actors then Robbie (although they are also extremely bad at actually making movies, to be fair).
Anyway, for me its the fact that they are destroying both one of my favorite teams and my favorite Batgirl that really pisses me off. If it was just Robbie by herself, I wouldn't care at this point because she's no more "Harley Quinn" then she is Batman. Its dragging down good DC stuff that pisses me off. At least the only thing hurt by something like After Earth was the vain actor's reputation, it didn't kill properties unconnected to the actor.
We're not getting a Birds of Prey movie. There are absolutely no BoP characters in the movie. There is just a bunch of idiotic original characters stealing and ruining DC character names.
Also, who the fuck wants a BoP movie if its not done right? Not everything needs to be ruined by the assholes at Warner Brothers. For example, I sure as fuck don't want a Power Girl, Legion of Superheros or JSA movie, its bad enough that WB is ruining a version of my favorite DC hero (the real Captain Marvel), all my other favorite stuff I never want to see WB touch, and that includes the BoP.
After seeing how well she handled the character in Suicide Squad, I'm pretty excited to see what Margot Robbie does with her in BoPatFEofOHQ. It's also worth keeping in mind that Robbie is only a producer, and that it's being directed by Cathy Han and written by Christina Hodson, so while she might have some input on the general direction of the movie, Robbie isn't responsible for the entire thing.
And let's not forget Star Trek Insurrection
Huh? That's hardly comparable. Insurrection may not have been a perfect movie or an especially successful one, but likening it to infamous disasters like Gigli and Battlefield Earth? That's sheer hyperbole. I also don't understand the comparison, because from a creative standpoint it was largely Michael Piller's baby.
Maybe @USS Firefly is trying to make a point about Nemesis?
