Question about TWOK
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Probably all the storms in the atmosphere prevented it.
Indeed, I think there's a bit in the novelization which actually says that Chekov and Terrell couldn't beam directly up from the wreck, they had to go outside first.
But he had time to put his consciousness in McCoy
But in all seriousness, possibly taking the time out to do that (it's presented as a spur of the moment choice by Spock) is why he didn't have time left to clamber into a protective suit. Although if so, it defeats the purpose of putting the katra in there.
Maybe Spock was counting down the split seconds and just realized with Bones and Scotty putting up resistance he'd run out of options and really was going to have to self-sacrifice?
once outside they could've still beamed up before Khan's gang captured them
Scotty had passed out from radiation exposure. He didn't wake up until Spock was already going in...
Another possibility those radiation suits were custom made and Spock couldn't have simply put one on.
As for Ceti Alpha V, on occasion in order for a transporter to have an efficient lock on a person it's required to target at a particular landing sight.
Or the radiation in the chamber was more than the suits were designed to handle. Personally, I think it had more to do with the time available.
Well then why have radiation suits? And why was Spock the only one willing to go in the chamber?
"No human can stand the radiation in there". Scotty already tried but was passed out, Spock knew he was the only one on board who could do it.
They could always do a remake where that happens.
I assume the damage had caused radiation levels in the chamber to climb much higher than they would be normally. This also assumes the radiation suits are designed to protect against the level of radiation that the engineers are expected to encounter during normal operations, not during catastrophic failures. That could seem a bit short sighted on Starfleet's part unless the suit strong enough to protect a human in the TWOK situation is too bulky and unwieldy to wear all the time. Then the standard suit as a compromise makes sense.
In another life, he did.
Yes, they wear those suits routinely, suggesting working in engineering or close to the core could carry a risk of accumulating background radiation.
The reactor room itself is shielded, and was clearly leaking radiation at a higher rate than normal - possibly as a result of battle damage, or Scotty's attempts to restore main power. No suit is going to be 100% effective.
Apparently, beaming was difficult to begin with: the ship tried to set them down on the local Garden of Eden, but they still had to walk to reach their actual goal (and thus stumbled upon Khan's shacks). It would be plausible for it only to be possible to beam them back up from a prearranged beam-up spot, then. I mean, sandstorms keep on blocking beam-ups in DSC and all.
Because it wouldn't have helped?
After all, Scotty would have had time to do so - he was already donning some pretty heavy gear. But apparently this didn't help any, as he not only succumbed to something himself after saying "raaadiationnhhh...", but also failed to get in and do anything himself!
McCoy doesn't buy the line about Spock not being human; his Vulcan blood probably is no real protection whatsoever. Only his Vulcan willingness to commit suicide for the greater good matters. But a suit might not have made a difference in those first few minutes during which Spock did the greater good (Scotty in nothing but a kilt would have retained his fine-motoric control and wits equally long), and afterwards it didn't matter.
Again, radiation keeps on killing people in the heaviest possible protective suits in DSC. If a radiation-proof suit existed, surely Mike Burnham would have donned that when going to explore that mysteriously vague thing in the known radiation hazard of the accretion disk in the pilot episode?
It's a separate issue what those TOS movie costumes are exactly. They are worn at Main Engineering, but not by everybody. And they are worn during a boarding mission in ST6:TUC. Are they spacesuits, and people at Main Engineering expect the hull to be vented in battle as it is the Big Fat Target of their ship? Are they for radiation protection but also work as raygun armor for boarding jobs? Are they primarily armor, and engineers wear them out of fear of Exploding Consoles?
...Are they generic protective suits accommodating a shield generator, in those fancy concentric rings on the chest, and engineers and Marines alike find uses for them?
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I'm not sure if that's supported by the film - all we know is that Scotty was passed out due to the radiation. Since McCoy is fine, the radiation he's talking about is specifically "in there", i.e. the reaction chamber or whatever it is. Scotty has been in, and failed.
Vulcans are repeatedly shown to be more robust than humans physically, and Spock in particular has great mental strength. I've always felt that it was his mental training and focus which meant he alone on the ship had a chance to save the ship. It was a long shot, but he was able to keep it together just long enough to save the day.
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