NFL 2018 Season

[Scout101]

Just one of those teams that should be decent, but they just can't help themselves. No patience, no planning ahead, always mortgaging the future for a questionable return NOW. Why they'll perpetually be 8-8, 9-7, 10-6. Cooper isn't putting them over the top this year, and now they don't have that 1st rounder that could be someone that MIGHT be the answer next year.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I'd rather Miami just be plain bad than eternally mediocre.

Amen -we are set for our 400th consecutive 8-8, 7-9, or 9-7 season. Torture.

 

[BillJ]

Just one of those teams that should be decent, but they just can't help themselves. No patience, no planning ahead, always mortgaging the future for a questionable return NOW. Why they'll perpetually be 8-8, 9-7, 10-6. Cooper isn't putting them over the top this year, and now they don't have that 1st rounder that could be someone that MIGHT be the answer next year.

And another $13.9 million dollar cap charge for 2019, when they'll be trying to sign DeMarcus Lawrence to a long term deal, and will have to begin thinking about long term deals for Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliot.

 

[1001001]

Amen -we are set for our 400th consecutive 8-8, 7-9, or 9-7 season. Torture.

I know the feeling.

Too bad to make the playoffs, too good to get a top draft pick.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I know the feeling.

Too bad to make the playoffs, too good to get a top draft pick.

Throw in "spend too much on an aging free agent" and that's our every season ever.

 

[BillJ]

Throw in "spend too much on an aging free agent" and that's our every season ever.

I don't think Gase is a people person, which you need to be to some degree in professional sports. "I worked with Payton Manning!", only gives you so much credibility in the locker room and that credibility doesn't last long.

Getting rid of Suh was a mistake. Gase doesn't seem to want strong personalities in the locker room.

 

[Scout101]

Bill Belichick, notorious people person

But to be fair, winning offers a lot of credibility as well, so if you have that (plus support of the ownership), people have to fall in line or get cut...

 

[BillJ]

Bill Belichick, notorious people person

But to be fair, winning offers a lot of credibility as well, so if you have that (plus support of the ownership), people have to fall in line or get cut...

I think even Belichick learned some skills after his time in Cleveland.

 

[Scout101]

i'm just picturing Office Space: "I'm a people person, God damn it!"

 

[BillJ]

What is wrong with Chad Kelly? Million dollar arm, with a ten-cent head...

Broncos backup quarterback Chad Kelly was charged with first-degree criminal trespassing by police in Englewood, Colorado (Twitter link via Ian Rapoport of NFL.com). The incident took place at 1:17am on Tuesday morning, and may result in serious legal consequences for the Ole Miss product.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/

 

[gblews]

Just one of those teams that should be decent, but they just can't help themselves. No patience, no planning ahead, always mortgaging the future for a questionable return NOW.

I don't know, it's working out pretty well for the Rams. They pretty much mortgaged their future a few years ago when they traded multiple high picks to get Jared Goff. Most thought they were making a mistake. Turns out, not so much. According to reports, the Rams were on the brink of mortgaging more of their future for "now" before the season started in an attempt trade for Khalil Mack.

There's no 'one way' to build a contender. Whether a team uses the patient approach or the 'win now, future be damned' approach, it always comes down to how well you pick talent through the draft, free agency, and trades.

A team can win building a team through the win now approach or the patient approach IF they choose the right players.

 

[BillJ]

A team can win building a team through the win now approach or the patient approach IF they choose the right players.

Even a win now approach needs some kind of plan or reasoning behind it. The Rams made the playoffs last year and seem primed to make a run, so a play to win now makes sense. The Cowboys revert to grasping wildly for a solution. It is Roy Thomas Part II.

The Cowboys gave up a one for what could be as little as a nine game rental. For a guy who hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire, and is currently in concussion protocol. I don't remember the exact stats, but over the last 20 games, Amari Cooper has had four one-hundred yard games, the other 16? 40 catches for roughly four hundred yards. He has 22 catches right now. He Beasley and Elliot both have more.

I could see giving up a one for Beckham, or taking a flyer on someone like DeVante Parker with a four. Cooper? I could see giving up a three for him with his current production. Honestly? I think the Cowboys got played. Somebody whispered someone else was getting in, and they jumped and made a dumb move.

 

[Scout101]

exactly. 'going for it' makes sense when you're close and think you're one playmaker away. when you mortgage the future for a middling upgrade at a position that isn't really the problem, you just lost a 1st round pick to go from 8-8 to 10-6. didn't help enough, and hurt for years to come.

 

[1001001]

There's no 'one way' to build a contender. Whether a team uses the patient approach or the 'win now, future be damned' approach, it always comes down to how well you pick talent through the draft, free agency, and trades.

A team can win building a team through the win now approach or the patient approach IF they choose the right players.

There's also a significant amount of luck. So far the gambles have paid off for the Rams, but we are just a couple of key injuries away from being the 49ers.

 

[Scout101]

yeah, that was just a bad break (which accelerated downhill afterwards). i don't feel that the 49ers made that 'big' mistake, just bad luck. Cowboys spending draft capital to move from mediocre to a little *more* mediocre for a player that likely won't make a difference is a different can of worms entirely.

 

[BillJ]

There's also a significant amount of luck. So far the gambles have paid off for the Rams, but we are just a couple of key injuries away from being the 49ers.

Unless Gurley, Goff, Suh and Donald all go down, I think there is a good enough coaching staff there to work around a major injury.

I think people were sorely overestimating where the 49ers were at, at the end of last year. Garappolo's injury probably made a 6-10 team, down right terrible.

 

[1001001]

I don't think you are. Unless Gurley, Goff, Suh and Donald all go down, I think there is a good enough coaching staff there to work around a major injury.

The Niners lost both their starting QB and their starting RB.

I was just saying if we lost Goff and Gurley for a whole season, we'd look a lot different.

 

[BillJ]

Broncos dump Chad Kelly.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/10/broncos-release-qb-chad-kelly

 

[Timby]

Broncos dump Chad Kelly.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/10/broncos-release-qb-chad-kelly

Gets into a fight at a party, wanders into a random house, sits down next to the wife and begins babbling incoherently, then gets whacked by a vacuum tube? What the fuck was he on? Was he walrusing on Ambien?

Although I think he's the guy who went back to his high school and got in a brawl, and threatened to shoot up a bar after getting booted for fighting, so maybe he's just cracked in the head.

 

[gblews]

Even a win now approach needs some kind of plan or reasoning behind it. The Rams made the playoffs last year and seem primed to make a run, so a play to win now makes sense. The Cowboys revert to grasping wildly for a solution. It is Roy Thomas Part II.

The Cowboys gave up a one for what could be as little as a nine game rental. For a guy who hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire, and is currently in concussion protocol. I don't remember the exact stats, but over the last 20 games, Amari Cooper has had four one-hundred yard games, the other 16? 40 catches for roughly four hundred yards. He has 22 catches right now. He Beasley and Elliot both have more.

I could see giving up a one for Beckham, or taking a flyer on someone like DeVante Parker with a four. Cooper? I could see giving up a three for him with his current production. Honestly? I think the Cowboys got played. Somebody whispered someone else was getting in, and they jumped and made a dumb move.

The Cowboys obviously disagree with your assessment of Coop's value. The move may work out perfectly for the Cowboys, or it may not.

My point was, an continues to be, that there is more than one way to build a contender. But no matter which way one chooses to do it, be it relying primarily on the draft, free agency, trades or some combination, all other things being equal, it almost always comes down to acquiring the right players more so than the method of building.

Take Gruden for example. He is using the Raiders' core players to acquire draft picks. He is using the "throw away "now" for the future", method. Most people think Gruden is crazy, yet this is the method that most media and so called "experts" seem to think is the best method, more or less, for building a contender.

If this plan does not work and in 3-4 years, the Raiders still look like a joke, Gruden will have cemented the current dim view of his abilities as a GM. On the other hand, if the Raiders are legit contenders in 3-4 years, he'll be hailed as a "football genius". At this point, it could go either way.

It's not the method, it's the execution.