Or when the writers of voyager thought they’d made a canon proof episode in “flashback” but they didn’t bother to watch Star Trek VI so Praxis now exploded 3 days before Kirk and McCoy went on trial, not months...
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Tuvok's memory sucks.
I wasn't citing a specific example. I'm simply saying setting it after Voyager gives them many, many more opportunities to make "canon" errors, not fewer.
And he’s usually such a stickler for accuracy too.
The irony of Tim Russ in the bts saying “the fans couldn’t criticise it” as well
Plus Valtane never died. We can see him in the final shot.
I doubt Sulu would have reacted so coolly to Tuvok's objections given the dirty look he gave the subordinate who showed a slight hesitation when he told him to answer that they didn't know where the Enterprise was.
He would have had Tuvok thrown out the nearest airlock!!!
Also, it's surprising that Tuvok had to explain anything about the incident (the trial etc..) to Janeway since it must have been part of history by then. She should have known everything about it.
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Plus Valtaine DIED in ST: V - "Flaskback" (He lived and is IN the U.S.S. Excelsior Bridge crew + Sulu Viewscreen shot at the end of STVI:TUC.
Tuvok was infected with a virus that manipulates your memories, so he's an unreliable narrator and any memories of his that differ from established events can be chalked up to the virus.
What's funny is that in order to manipulate Tuvok's memories Janeway had to actually undress another woman and put her clothes on instead of saying ... let's pretend I am wearing the uniform for example...
ST:V "Flashback" was one of the episodes I did watch past "The 37's" because hey, it had a tie in to TOS and TOS actors were going to be in it. What I found amazing (and typical for B&B Star Trek when going outside into TOS related material) was that you's think - with 42 minutes, they'd get right into it and give the episode over to the Flashback, but no - they spent 20 minutes of the episode leading up to it with Tuvok having a headache and how the nebula they just encountered reminded hismof something from his past.
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Janeway wasn't a historian. It was nearly a century ago. It's like expecting someone today to know everything about the Battle of Jutland or something.
Oh my days I forgot about that! I remember that bugging me at the time!
Yeh that’s true! Christian Slater is like “what’s that? We *don’t* know where they are? But...but... we *do*!!!” To which Sulu slaps him down with “are you having hearing problems, mister?”
I’d have watched the crap out of a Sulu show instead of Enterprise.
And I liked Enterprise.
In Tim Russ’s face!
This is neither the time nor the place for perfectly logical, rational explanations that fit with the story and themes of the episode
ST:V "Flashback" was one of the episodes I did watch past "The 37's" because hey, it had a tie in to TOS and TOS actors were going to be in it. What I found amazing (and typical for B&B Star Trek when going outside into TOS related material) was that you's think - with 42 minutes, they'd get right into it and give the episode over to the Flashback, but no - they spent 20 minutes of the episode leading up to it with Tuvok having a headache and how the nebula they just encountered reminded hismof something from his past.
That's not the worst of it. Neelix telling the story of his omelet is.
Hey, if Soran and Nero can both identify Kirk from history, we can expect Janeway, AKA a graduate from Starfleet to know a bit more about the subject.
Yeah she knows who Kirk is, and his general biography, but she might not know all the details of the Khitomer incident.
Um, no. Janeway's specialization before becoming a command officer was science. So, history doesn't have to be her knowledge base, besides the basic trivia.
And to apply it to today, unless you're a Historian or it's your hobby, how much detail do most of us really know about the 1930s?
ST:V "Flashback" was one of the episodes I did watch past "The 37's" because hey, it had a tie in to TOS and TOS actors were going to be in it. What I found amazing (and typical for B&B Star Trek when going outside into TOS related material) was that you's think - with 42 minutes, they'd get right into it and give the episode over to the Flashback, but no - they spent 20 minutes of the episode leading up to it with Tuvok having a headache and how the nebula they just encountered reminded hismof something from his past.
By contrast, DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" ep, which came out the same year, wasted no time getting to the point: the DS9 gang found themselves back in the 23rd century by end of the pre-credits sequence.
"Flashback" was frustrating. I get that it was a VOYAGER ep, not TOS, but if you're going to do a special anniversary episode guest-starring George Takei as Sulu . . . well, go for it and give us plenty of Sulu since that's what you're hyping that week. Don't waste half the ep on technobabble and Tuvok's medical condition. You can do that any week. Do what DS9 did and get straight to the nostalgic fun and games.
Not the only time VOYAGER seemed to miss the point of their own episodes. If you're going to do an ep about an interplanetary drag race, give us an exciting drag race, don't make the ep all about Paris and B'Elanna's relationship issues, or Janeway holding a meeting to discuss the Prime Directive or whatever. If you're going to strand Chakotay and Seven on a jungle planet, let's have some thrilling jungle-planet action and steamy scenes around the campfire. It was almost as though the show sometimes thought that having too much fun with a gimmick episode was somehow beneath them . . ...
Hear, hear.
They also had a The Rock episode that didn't give us much of The Rock ("Tsunkatse").
I wonder if there were budget constraints or limited availability of actors forced the story into that structure. Say if they knew they were only going to be able to have Takei for a day and a half, that would basically mean they had to write a story where he is only featured in acts 3 and 4, with a teaser in act 2.
Trials and tribulations, in contrast, was more of an exercise in special effects and digital composition. All the classic characters were realized with stock footage so no actor timetables to deal with (except the Klingon spy, and aid I recall, he wasn’t actually in many of the scenes. Most of it was playing around with enterprise sets and mixing it up with footage of the bar fight from the original series..
When you look back at the TNG episodes with the other TOS characters - Sarak, Unification and Relics, there were generously sized B plots to help fill out the episode with plenty of scenes without the guest character. Granted, they introduce the characters much sooner (unless you count Unificatuon Part I), but with two shows running simultaneously and each with their own anniversary special, I am sure the and money had a lot to do with what we ultimately got with Flashback.
Trials and tribulations, in contrast, was more of an exercise in special effects and digital composition. All the classic characters were realized with stock footage so no actor timetables to deal with (except the Klingon spy, and aid I recall, he wasn’t actually in many of the scenes. Most of it was playing around with enterprise sets and mixing it up with footage of the bar fight from the original series..
When you look back at the TNG episodes with the other TOS characters - Sarak, Unification and Relics, there were generously sized B plots to help fill out the episode with plenty of scenes without the guest character. Granted, they introduce the characters much sooner (unless you count Unificatuon Part I), but with two shows running simultaneously and each with their own anniversary special, I am sure the and money had a lot to do with what we ultimately got with Flashback.
I believe it would have been more interesting to have the Rock be on the good side instead of being a petty villain who takes advantage of Seven's scruples to undeservedly win the match.
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