Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread

Nigeria might not be right next door to Wakanda, but it's close enough for the Panther Throne to maintain watch on the place. Nakia was on a mission to take down a cell of Boko Haram "soldiers" for the Hatut Zeraze...

 

If you'll forgive my oversimplification analogy here...

In the comics, Klaw is T'Challa's version of Joe Chill. Killmonger is more akin to Rā's al Ghūl.

 

It's clearly stated that they were on an "outreach mission".

 

Sorry, but other than possibly Loki, Killshot was the closest thing to an actual character that a Marvel movie has had as a villian.

Fuck Klaw.

 

I hope not. I'd rather not see another generic mustache twirling henchman in the sequel.

 

Henchman? Now that’s just mean.
I just preferred him to the other chap. He just seemed all over the place with a confusing message.
Plus he had a silly haircut.

 

Yeah, I was a bit surprised they killed Klaw off, but I couldn't possibly disagree more strongly about Killmonger though, I'd say he was one of the best superhero movie villains since Loki and Heath Ledger's Joker. Definitely a very, very close second best Marvel villain behind Loki.

 

Killmonger was a fantastic villain, and definitely one of the very best, if not the very best, of the Marvel villains.

That said... I'd wouldn't mind at all if Klaw came back somehow, just because Serkis was so fun in the role.

 

Damn it, people, the MCU character's name is Ulysses Klaue.

 

Whatever his name is, it’s irrelevant now.

 

That's always been his actual name....

 

If they eventually have Klaw turn into what he did when he was an FF villain; he'll somehow be resurrected as a being of pure living sound.

 

“Didn’t I keep it under wraps that the king of a third world country runs around in a bullet proof cat suit? I’d say we’re even.”

“We were, until you just said that in public.”

 

Sorry i am late...but for me , one criteria for best picture would be its cultural impact on the audience...i know some of that comes over time, but clearly people were positively motivated by the picture to celebrate all kinds of REAL African and African-AMerican culture, and really got people excited.

COmbined with all the other "traditional stuff" , Black Panther OUGHT to be a contender for Best Picture.

 

I am also comfortable with Black Panther being a serious Best Picture contender.

 

So now that it's on netflix, I watched Black Panther for the second time, and I think Killmonger made a big mistake not letting the Wakandans heal him.

I firmly will argue that Killmonger committed absolutely no crime under Wakandan law. Yes, he committed crimes abroad, especially in the United States, but barring an extradition treaty with the US, Killmonger could have lived a full life in Wakanda, and should NOT have been locked up.

I doubt an isolated country like Wakanda would have such a treaty.

Everything Killmonger did from the point where he killed Klaue was legal. Klaue was a wanted man in Wakanda, and bringing him back dead was not against their law. In fact, I believe W'Kabi wanted to hunt him down and kill him.

Killmonger's assault on the thrown--also legal. T'Challa accepted the challenge, which was within Killmonger's right.

Once king, Killmonger had autonomy. He had a right to mobilize the military and change years of precedent. He was the king.

He could not have possibly known that the challenge hadn't ended. The fight at the end was arguably a continuation of the challenge, though technically, T'Challa cheated as he had his Black Panther powers at the time. Yes, Killmonger did as well, but that was not the challenge.

One could even argue that T'Challa's hold on the crown is weakened by his failure to defeat Killmonger per the rules of the challenge.

Also, I do not believe that the rules of the challenge allowed Wakandan medicine to heal an opponent in the middle. So T'Challa arguably cheated.

Killmonger not only committed no crime, but he was not properly defeated in the challenge for the crown.

He should have healed himself and gone for round 3.

 

It was stated at the beginning of the challenge that the challenge could only end one of two ways-- by yielding or by Death. There was no other criteria stated.

 

By that logic, T'Challa could have been forced to fight an army alone. The combat was one on one. That's a rule. And given that it happened twice, no Black Panther steroid seems to be another one.

Why take away the Black Panther power, if they could give the challenger the Black Panther power himself?

Yes, yielding or death was how the challenge ended, but there were clearly combat rules during the fight.

 

It’s kind of a fuzzy situation. Ideally the question of who was legitimately King would have been settled in court, but an epic battle pitting half of Wakanda against the other is much more cinematic.

 

Also, the question of the challenge is irrelevant, anyway.

T'Challa's entire kingship is predicated on an open relationship with the outside world. If he wants to keep that relationship viable, he'd have no other choice than to extradite Killmonger, regardless of whether there was an extradition treaty already signed or not. And, really, it's not at all clear that he would even want to shield Killmonger from the consequences of his actions, even if that option was on th table.