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The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

Disney is looking to reboot the X-Men ASAP. The further in people's collective memories this version of X-Men is, the easier time Disney will have to reboot.
Well, first of all, Disney doesn't actually control Fox, so they don't have any say yet. Even if they did, I don't see why they'd want to cancel the release of the movie, all that would do is hurt pretty much everyone involved.
Besides, it's probably going to be several years before we see the X-Men again under Disney, so no matter what there's going to be a gap between versions of the characters.
 
The movie has already been made and the money spent. Even if it flops they loose less then not releasing it at all.

Depends how much they also spend on PR.
That said, if they don't release it, it's also a big fat write off on their taxes.
But, I think they will release it, because, as you said, why not? I just don't think they are going to sink a lot into the marketing.
 
I wouldn't go that far. I would say it carries the same weight and has the same informed/uniformed quotient as our opinions here.

ComicBookMovie.Com is not even remotely credible and will blatantly fabricate and/or misconstrue things, whereas most of the people who post here are at least cognizant of grounding their opinions in some degree of fact.
 
I would give the Dumb crown to Sony. While Fox has had issues, at least they made some good X movies here and there. The entire lot of Sony led Spider flicks were abominations that should be erased from the timeline

Hmm, the first SpiderMan cemented superhero movies as blockbuster hits, and Spiderman 2 is still considered by many to be the best superhero movie.
 
Spider-Man 1 & 2 were great, and Spider-Man 3 is still the third best Spider-Man movie ever made. Sony at least made one good Spider-Man decision, getting Sam Raimi involved. When he was gone, it all went to shit (not that he hadn't been going downhill, but still).
 
Spider-Man 1 & 2 were great, and Spider-Man 3 is still the third best Spider-Man movie ever made. Sony at least made one good Spider-Man decision, getting Sam Raimi involved. When he was gone, it all went to shit (not that he hadn't been going downhill, but still).

Well as usual we disagree. I strongly disliked Spiderman 1 and 2 but I am giving them credit for popularising the genre.
 
Spider-Man 1 & 2 were great, and Spider-Man 3 is still the third best Spider-Man movie ever made. Sony at least made one good Spider-Man decision, getting Sam Raimi involved. When he was gone, it all went to shit (not that he hadn't been going downhill, but still).
I am pretty much with Kirk on this.... really loved the first 2 Raimi movies... #3 wasn't great, but to me it sure wasn't awful. It had those elements I liked-- such as turning bad guys into good guys..and in an organic way.

I also liked the idea of Peter's ego being a problem...and the effects of it. Some of it was too goofy, but appreciated they lesson learned.


Amazing Spiderman, for me, was totally tainted by how in my heart I knew they were making those movies as a cash grab to keep the movie rights...where the Raimi ones felt as thought it was done by a FAN.

Now had Raimi and Maguire stayed on...would they have possibly shifted toward a Miles Morales and/or getting the property back to Marvel? At least the first 3 felt like they COULD have fit back in with the MCU (with just some excuses as to why he didn't encounter SHIELD or the Avengers).


Back on topic...with X-Men... perhaps Dark Phoenix can re-write history again, or leave some way to show a multiverse or something -- maybe the current MCU Jean Grey encounters other versions?
 
ASM2 had the biggest event in Spider-Man history - the death of Gwen Stacey - and just... blew it. I mean that was supposed to be THE defining moment in Peter's life as a superhero. Instead it was just... eh... kind of like the death of Superman.
 
ASM2 had the biggest event in Spider-Man history - the death of Gwen Stacey - and just... blew it. I mean that was supposed to be THE defining moment in Peter's life as a superhero. Instead it was just... eh... kind of like the death of Superman.
And Elektra's death in the Daredevil movie. They recreated that scene almost panel for panel, and still got it wrong.
 
Watched X-Men: Apocalypse last, having not seen it since got it on Blu in late 2016. Obviously it has its flaws but I enjoyed it more than I remembered I did the first time round.

Just a few points/questions though-

-When all the nukes are launched they ask "who's launching them?" and they say "then men are!" ie the men on the submarines. I just wondered is that even possible? I would have thought they'd need a passcode or something from their higher ups, the President or whoever. So men working on nuclear submarines can just launch nukes whenever they feel like it?

- The death of Havok is done really strange. Like did something happen in the editing room? I had to rewind it a couple of times to even get what happened. He fires his beam, it hits the Blackbird, you see Hank recoil and then that's it. Later Quicksilver is like "I think I got everyone" and you're not even sure if he's meant to be dead or not. It's all edited like maybe he'll come back at the end or something. Then by the actually end you just have to go "oh I guess he did die then. Ok."
I mean I don't expect a shot of one our heroes being killed by an explosion in slow motion, but some kinda shot seeing him enveloped would have done.

- How many people died in this movie? During the last segment the entire world is basically being pulled apart. We see whole skyscrapers and buildings in New York and Sydney torn to shreds- but it's not like it's only meant to be happening there. Wasn't that supposed to be happening literally everywhere on Earth? Every city, town, village undergoing damage like that. Surely millions upon millions, 10s even 100s of millions died? Even in Cairo alone it must have been thousands killed when Apocalypse remodels the entire city.

At the end it's like "oh repairs are underway", oh so it's all ok now. That's why its so funny when Magneto is just allowed to walk away again at the end, with the "goodbye old friend" routine yet again. There's zero consequences for anything.

Anyway, enjoyed it. But do find parts of it odd.
 
I've been meaning to watch it again (first time since it was in theaters) but I wanted to wait until just before Dark Phoenix, but then it's release date kept changing. I'm not really in a hurry to watch it again but I do think it deserves a second watch.
 
Watched X-Men: Apocalypse last, having not seen it since got it on Blu in late 2016. Obviously it has its flaws but I enjoyed it more than I remembered I did the first time round.

Just a few points/questions though-

-When all the nukes are launched they ask "who's launching them?" and they say "then men are!" ie the men on the submarines. I just wondered is that even possible? I would have thought they'd need a passcode or something from their higher ups, the President or whoever. So men working on nuclear submarines can just launch nukes whenever they feel like it?

- The death of Havok is done really strange. Like did something happen in the editing room? I had to rewind it a couple of times to even get what happened. He fires his beam, it hits the Blackbird, you see Hank recoil and then that's it. Later Quicksilver is like "I think I got everyone" and you're not even sure if he's meant to be dead or not. It's all edited like maybe he'll come back at the end or something. Then by the actually end you just have to go "oh I guess he did die then. Ok."
I mean I don't expect a shot of one our heroes being killed by an explosion in slow motion, but some kinda shot seeing him enveloped would have done.

- How many people died in this movie? During the last segment the entire world is basically being pulled apart. We see whole skyscrapers and buildings in New York and Sydney torn to shreds- but it's not like it's only meant to be happening there. Wasn't that supposed to be happening literally everywhere on Earth? Every city, town, village undergoing damage like that. Surely millions upon millions, 10s even 100s of millions died? Even in Cairo alone it must have been thousands killed when Apocalypse remodels the entire city.

At the end it's like "oh repairs are underway", oh so it's all ok now. That's why its so funny when Magneto is just allowed to walk away again at the end, with the "goodbye old friend" routine yet again. There's zero consequences for anything.

Anyway, enjoyed it. But do find parts of it odd.

I also enjoyed it more on a rewatch. Apocalypse himself was still a damp squib, unworthy of our fear, and I would have preferred the 'original' horsemen rather than trying to copy the Civil War concept with all X-men. I think if they had not made his abilities so 'all or nothing', gave him a costume that allowed him to be more physical, and underscored that he was testing them, it might have made him more intriguing.

I still felt that Angel got stitched up in a similar way to Phoenix in X3 by removing the emotional heart of his story (along with his personality) and by not sticking with the concept that Storm flies really clumsily so that being able to fly remains cool in itself.

Even the comics are really vague on the consequences of mass destruction and murder when you look at Emma Frost, who is essentially an unconvicted serial killer, who becomes accepted as a bitchy team-mate, but then the Avengers and Justice League also destroy buildings without a care so I think gross negligence is acceptable across the super hero divide.

I thought the final fight scenes with Magneto just levitating in place were poorly paced but battle pacing has always been a problem in X-men movies. They need to do faster cuts l think but a lot of the characters have slow powers and they even film Quicksilver in slow motion.

I felt that the emotional content that should have been Angel's was instead squandered quite laboriously on Quicksilver's daddy issues, made worse because Magneto was redeemed (again) at the end and the just hung around like a bad smell.

I do think that the continued presence of Magneto and Mystique as main characters is now a distraction that is not allowing the franchise to grow. While I like both the actors, they are so expensive that they are forcing themselves to the fore to justify the cost when they are actually unnecessary to the success of the franchise. I did like the death of Magneto's family but it felt like tagging it onto the Apocalypse story did no justice to either plot.

I'm still very much looking forward to the sequel but I'm concerned again that Mystique and Magneto are again going to be too prominent in a story where they really need not feature at all.

Havok's 'death' was kept intentionally vague in my opinion.
 
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