Discoprise won't have TOS "cardboard sets"

[jaime]

I'll unequivocally give you Transformers! Megatron truly is the main villain in all those movies.

In the other cases, the "recurring villain" is just a recurring cast member, not the actual big antagonist of the following movies. Like Loki, who was the main villain in Thor 1 (and Avengers!), but in all subsequent appereances he was usually another character that took part in the story of taking the new big bad villain down.

(THough I haven't seen "Fantastic Beasts" yet. Does it count? It's not really an adaption, which follow other rules. But... kinda'? I don't know)

Also, as you can see: This is not a 100% tight rule. This is just a general observation, that action movies have a big new villain every movie that needs to be taken down. And that having an overall long narrative with a single, recurring villain or evil organization is clearly the exception.

Which I think is a pity. I loved that all Captain America movies have Hydra as a recurring villain organization, or how Sean Connery continuesly fought against SPECTRE. That doesn't work for all types of action movies - I think Spider-Man is better off facing against a unique, colorfull villain every movie. I just think a bit more variety overall would be nice.

Fantastic beasts sort of adapts the backstory and lore from the Harry Potter books ( and it’s tiny sort of spin off book that isn’t. More of a novelty item.) and then pumps it into some world tour stuff. In terms of adaptation from its titled source material....it makes the Hobbit look like a concise summation. But to be fair, it’s like a movie adaptation of a pamphlet...and is actually a fairly good film, albeit one that gets further and further from the source from which it sprang.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It’s a Bond movie wearing a Starfleet uniform. It follows the modern Bond formula almost exactly, with a strong female protagonist (who still needs rescuing) and a big bad out for revenge. There’s even a motorbike scene!

Isn't The Wrath of Khan? (Sans Motorbike)

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Isn't The Wrath of Khan? (Sans Motorbike)

In a deleted scene Kirk shows McCoy his pride and joy which resides in his garage when he comes to his apartment for Kirk’s birthday.

Kirk: There she is, Bones. A mid-twentieth century Harley Davidson. I renovated her myself. Brought her back from the dead.

McCoy: I thought bringing people back from the dead was my job?

 

[jaime]

Isn't The Wrath of Khan? (Sans Motorbike)

Insurrection...Némesis...Data is the Princess in First Contact, and the villain is female...star III (saavik)....Star Trek II (Carol, as mentioned). So the good news is it’s not every film. About half. But it’s not realllly a description of Bond movies at all very much. (A) Bond movies aren’t usually motivated by revenge in the case of the villain...sometimes, but not always and (B) it’s a bit of a generic description. I think motorbike chases are t that common either.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Insurrection...Némesis...Data is the Princess in First Contact, and the villain is female...star III (saavik)....Star Trek II (Carol, as mentioned). So the good news is it’s not every film. About half. But it’s not realllly a description of Bond movies at all very much. (A) Bond movies aren’t usually motivated by revenge in the case of the villain...sometimes, but not always and (B) it’s a bit of a generic description. I think motorbike chases are t that common either.

Star Trek is yet to have a tank chase through a heavily urbanised area.

I bet Micheal could relate such a scenario to something from Alice in wonderland...

 

[Ovation]

Star Trek is yet to have a tank chase through a heavily urbanised area.

Now look what you’ve done. Thanks for spoiling episode 6 of Season 2 of DSC.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Now look what you’ve done. Thanks for spoiling episode 6 of Season 2 of DSC.

I’m disappointed I spoiled it but I can’t wait to see that episode!

 

[Unimatrix Q]

A hint of what the Enterprise bridge might look like in Discovery could be the appearance of the bridge of the ISS Constellation in Issue 3 of IDW's Star Trek Discovery - Succession Comic Mini Series.

 

[Tuskin38]

A hint of what the Enterprise bridge might look like in Discovery could be the appearance of the bridge of the ISS Constellation in Issue 3 of IDW's Star Trek Discovery - Succession Comic Mini Series.

I doubt that they gave the comic artists any sort of hint or art for the bridge.

 

[XCV330]

Insurrection...Némesis...Data is the Princess in First Contact, and the villain is female...star III (saavik)....Star Trek II (Carol, as mentioned). So the good news is it’s not every film. About half. But it’s not realllly a description of Bond movies at all very much. (A) Bond movies aren’t usually motivated by revenge in the case of the villain...sometimes, but not always and (B) it’s a bit of a generic description. I think motorbike chases are t that common either.

Bond didn't ride much until Craig took the role. It was usually the bad guys on two (or three) wheels.
Bond rode in Never Say Never Again (one of those unofficial Bond movies, interesting bike though, for its time), Tomorrow Never Dies (because BMW), Solace, and Skyfall

Until Kirk rides down a snowy mountain on a cello case, I'm not relating Star Trek to 007.

 

[Lord Garth]

Going by tone and how well they're regarded among fandom: I equate the TOS Films to Sean Connery's Bond, the TNG Films to Roger Moore's, and the Kelvin Films to Pierce Brosnan's. Before someone points it out, I'm only counting the long-term Bond actors for this analogy, not the ones who only did one or two. And if the pattern holds, then whoever permanently takes over after JJ Abrams / Bad Robot will have Star Trek films akin to Daniel Craig's Bond.

So I'm expecting a super-serious reboot with a no-nonsense Kirk in the next incarnation. Someone who's probably a little bit harsher than necessary.

 

[XCV330]

A no-nonsense Kirk would not be fun. Even in TWOK he still had his sense of humor.

"We can't just sit here"

(eats apple) "yes we can"

 

[jaime]

Going by tone and how well they're regarded among fandom: I equate the TOS Films to Sean Connery's Bond, the TNG Films to Roger Moore's, and the Kelvin Films to Pierce Brosnan's. Before someone points it out, I'm only counting the long-term Bond actors for this analogy, not the ones who only did one or two. And if the pattern holds, then whoever permanently takes over after JJ Abrams / Bad Robot will have Star Trek films akin to Daniel Craig's Bond.

So I'm expecting a super-serious reboot with a no-nonsense Kirk in the next incarnation. Someone who's probably a little bit harsher than necessary.

Brosnan is tng. good to great start, gets a little better, goes a bit dull, last one is full of stuff where you wonder what the heck they were thinking, followed by feeling bad because he should have had one more decent on because the cast is better than that bad idea full of fan service they stuck on film. On the plus Side, Madonna wasn’t in Nemesis. But it wouldn’t have made it worse. Of course, is possible that someone out there liked Die Another Day, but they have to have seen it to have an opinion, falling asleep after the decent opening doesn’t count.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I doubt that they gave the comic artists any sort of hint or art for the bridge.

Maybe they did. And don't forget, Kirsten Beyer is working on IDW's Discovery Comics, too...

 

[Tuskin38]

Maybe they did. And don't forget, Kirsten Beyer is working on IDW's Discovery Comics, too...

These same artists used Kelvin Timeline designs in some frames (including the Constitution design). So no, I don't think so.

 

[Jesse1066]

These same artists used Kelvin Timeline designs in some frames (including the Constitution design). So no, I don't think so.

IIRC the Constellation was a MadMan1701 design in one panel and Matt Jefferies' TOS design in the next.

 

[Tuskin38]

IIRC the Constellation was a MadMan1701 design in one panel and Matt Jefferies' TOS design in the next.

One issue used a head on view of a Kelvin Connie.

 

[Noname Given]

Star Trek is yet to have a tank chase through a heavily urbanised area.

But they DID have a Dune Buggy chased by Tanks in ST:Nem.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

But they DID have a Dune Buggy chased by Tanks in ST:Nem.

The question is *WHY*

 

[F. King Daniel]

These same artists used Kelvin Timeline designs in some frames (including the Constitution design). So no, I don't think so.

IIRC the Constellation was a MadMan1701 design in one panel and Matt Jefferies' TOS design in the next.

IDW's artists will do a Google search and draw whatever they see. The TOS bridge covered in Next Gen LCARS graphics, countless incorrect ships (once they used one of @MadMan1701A's Kelvin universe Enterprise mods with swept-back nacelles long before Beyond's version) and whatnot. And then Countdown mentioned a Vulcan Praetor...