Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Crossbones was in two movies before dying. Vulture survived and will be returning, but I think that being saved for another evil team.
Helmut Zemo survived and he and his father both led incarnations of the Masters in the comics.
There is also Sam Sterns/ The Leader, the MCU's most glaring hanging plot-thread. The real Mandarin is still out there. Mordo is still out there.
I'm a fan of Captain Britain, even if he does have his flaws. The Jaspers Warp/Crooked Earth story by Alan Moore is a great story.
Marvel always has enough characters to do anything they want, really. If there is only one or two "main" villains and the rest are just enemies to be overcome, that's perfectly fine for me, I watch the movies for the heroes. The only exception to that would be Doctor Doom, but his IP rights are complicated.
Masters of Evil that could show up:
1. Wonder Man, he was one of my favorites through the 80s and I'd like to see them develop him starting out as an enemy but then becoming a friend or even member.
2. Black Knight, the second one, not the third one that they might be making the movie about, his uncle and a member of the first Masters of Evil, that's who created most of the good Black Knight Dane Whitman's equipment but he didn't use the Ebony Blade.
3. Egghead, who was the leader of the third Masters of Evil, although the depiction of Daren Cross in the first Ant-Man movie was closer to him than Crossfire, if Cross somehow comes back from the microverse he could even be Egghead himself, Corey Stoll was really good in that movie.
4. Enchantress, a renegade Asgardian, she is probably still around.
5,6,7,+8, Wrecker and the Wrecking Crew (Bulldozer, Piledriver, and Thunderball) Super powered thugs that don't need a lot of screen time.
Plus there's a lot more, Grey Gargoyle, Chemistro, Living Laser, Whirlwind, Tiger Shark, Radioactive Man, Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, and so on.
And another group I'd like to see are the formerly called Soviet Super-Soldiers, the last two from above and Ursa Major, Darkstar, and Vanguard. They could fight the Avengers or just be a rival team that's not necessarily in direct conflict, or an Ally.
Thats pretty much how I saw it. Tony has to be alive in order to defeat Thanos.
Egghead (Elihas Starr) appeared in Ant-Man and the Wasp as the Ghost's father, played by Fringe's Michael Cerveris. He doesn't seem likely to make a return appearance.
If they do a Masters film, it'll probably be more like Thunderbolts where General Ross gets captured villains to work for the government. Zemo's actor said they had plans to use him again which is why they didn't kill him off (and why they made him a Black Ops commander) but he's not sure when it'll happen. They also kept Ghost alive in Ant-Man and the Wasp and she said she'd love to come back, so as another Black Ops type she's also perfect for it.
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I've been hoping they'd introduce the Thunderbolts, but I don't think they could do it without setting up all the villains in other movies. Still, I'd really like to see the classic Thunderbolts team (Zemo, Atlas, Meteorite, Mach IV, Songbird, etc) some day. Especially Songbird, since her arc of being the only Thunderbolt to go basically all the way to the good guy side (she never reverted like some of the others did, she's stayed heroic) would be interesting to see over a movie or two.
They could redo that with Zemo or Ghost instead, especially seeing how both are much more sympathetic characters than they were in the comics.
OK, that's actually a lot more surviving villains than I thought.
Oh, thanks, I hadn't seen that one yet.
That would suck. I really want Songbird in the MCU, I don't want to see her story grafted onto much more violent, irredeemable villains. Songbird was a D-list villain who was also a pro wrestler for a brief time, she didn't do anything she couldn't come back from, and her story arc was interesting. The MCU Zemo is a nutjob murderer (he may not be a nazi who wants to take over the world in the MCU, but he's not all that less evil) and Ghost is a psychopath (and just an overall shit villain in the comics, and I doubt the MCU version is any more compelling). Neither could ever be heroic, and I wouldn't want them to steal another, better, character's story.
Not yet (waiting for the home media release), but if Ghost is only Ghost in name only that both pisses me off and makes her an even worse choice for a Thunderbolts movie. I think the real Ghost was in one version of the T-Bolts, although from later when it was just a group of criminals lead by a hero (and usually Songbird) doing missions for time off (so like the Suicide Squad, but they don't have bombs in their heads and the people running their missions are usually not evil themselves).
Its bad enough that Ant-Man uses Bill Foster but he isn't Goliath. If Ghost also isn't the real Ghost then its starting to feel like Ant-Man & The Wasp is the Supergirl or Arrow of the MCU. So, there goes a lot of my interest in the movie. Now I'll just watch out of duty and not because I actually want to see it. Still, thanks for telling me. I was going to let the Goliath thing go, but if Ghost is also a fuck you to the comics then I need to vastly lower my expectations to about Spider-Man Homecoming levels (although hopefully Scott, Hank and Hope can keep AM&TW from being as awful as Homecoming, even if a lot of the movie hates its source material).
Edit: Just saw on wikipedia that they stole Jimmy Woo's name for the movie, too. As one of probably only 3-4 fans of the Agents of Atlas comic, that's another giant "fuck you" from the film.
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ETA: You really need to get over this obsession with everything being exactly how it was in the source material. Adaptations always have changed things, and always will change things, and sometimes those changes are actually improvements.
I'm not bothered by every change, especially in the MCU films, but there still has to be the core of the original character. Hawkeye barely resembles the comic version, but it doesn't bother me because he still feels like a version of Hawkeye, despite basically having nothing to do with the comic character outside of a name and gimmick. Sometimes the MCU gets around this by just transferring the name, which I can accept. Thor Ragnarok's valkyrie is definitely not Brunhilde, so it doesn't bother me that she's nothing like the comic Valkyrie, because she is literally not supposed to be the same character (and there is a real possibility than an MCU version of the original valkyrie did exist).
If they don't want to use the source material, they shouldn't use the character. They have no reason to use Ghost if they aren't going to use the real character. That is the standard that I hold everything to, from Inhumans to Ant-Man. If "Ghost" didn't use a variation of the comic costume and couldn't phase, I wouldn't be bothered. But pulling this Arrowverse shit is not something I will stand for. This is Scott Buck levels of hating the source material, except at least he had the partial excuse (for one of his shows, at least) of having a budget of about $1.25 an episode for Inhumans.
Also, there has not been a single improvement, since you can't improve on the source material. On certain elements? Sometimes, but the comic version is always going to be the character, especially for Marvel because they don't reboot their universe. Some changes are tolerable, but they're not better, at best they're neutral. Thor isn't "better" because his mother isn't Gaia, Spider-Man isn't better because Aunt May is 10+ years too young, Ant-Man isn't better because Hank Pym is 20-30 years too old, GotG isn't better because Drax is an alien (as opposed to a human transformed by aliens), etc, those just happen to be tolerable changes, not "improvements".
Ghost becoming some whiny ass with a stupid mad science condition (yeah, I checked the MCU wiki because I am completely out of shits to give for the film) is not an improvement, and I say this as someone who thinks that the comic Ghost is pretty shit. He's boring, his motivation is so simplistic its laughable and he's never been that interesting no matter what hero he's fighting. He's a d-list hero who I'd be fine with never seeing again. But, even he deserves better.
Why did Marvel use the Sokovia Accords story arc for the third Captain America movie, when the studios failed to fully exploit it after the 2016 movie? And worse, the writers of the movie do not seem to know the difference between an accord and a law. I clearly saw this in not only in "Civil War", but also "Ant-Man & the Wasp".