Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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Not really - it's Rey's "trust your feelings".
Her arc is that film is to accept who she is.
I'm somewhat curious what film you were watching if that was your takehome.
I agree. He died saving saving the last of the Resistance who where stupid enough to hide on the only planet they past under the eye of the Empire, Instead of evacuating everybody with the Falcon.
No; that's a misinterpretation of the scene. What really happens is that Kylo reads her mind with the Force and then voices what she's known, subconsciously, the entire time but suppressed as a coping mechanism.
Her initial instinctual response is to deny, but he pushes through that and gets her to admit - to both him and herself - the truth of his words.
The reason that some people keep clinging to the idea that Kylo was "lying" and JJ Abrams will turn Rey into some "ubermensch"' legacy character is that they can't or won't admit that they refused to pay attention to what was being said by people directly involved with the franchise in the 2 years leading up to the release of TLJ as well as what TFA had actually shown us/tried to tell us about her (which is entirely consistent with what TLJ does).
You mean the Falcon the resistance had no control over and didn't even know it was nearby until after they were already holed up in the abandoned base?
You are right, Finn and Rose travelt with another ship.
Maybe I should watch the movie again someday
They travelled on a tiny shuttle of some kind that couldn't have held half the group. They lost that shuttle at the casino planet and traveled back to the fleet in a private yacht that may or may not have been comparable in size to the Falcon, but they lost that ship to the First Order when they were arrested, then in the chaos of Snoke's ship going down they grabbed an enemy shuttle and crash-landed it onto the surface in order to rejoin their friends.
Holing up on the planet was really the only option the resistance had.
Just out of curiosity, have any of you guys/girls read the TLJ novelization? How does that whole scene play out there?
From said novelization:
“Do you want to know the truth about your parents?” he asked. “Or have you always known and have you just hidden it away—hidden it from yourself? Let it go. You know the truth. Say it!”
Rey tried to find the strength to deny him, to shove him away. But he was right. She did know the truth—and it was the same as her greatest fear, the one that had haunted her for so long.
A truth she could find no refuge from.
“They were nobody,” she said.
“They were filthy junk traders who sold you off for drinking money,” Kylo said. “They’re dead in a pauper’s grave in the Jakku desert.”
Tears filled Rey’s eyes. She fought to keep her emotions contained, fearing that if she released them even for a moment they would overwhelm her and sweep her away.
Kylo was a pace away now, his eyes locked on hers.
“You have no place in this story,” he said. “You come from nothing. You are nothing.”
And then his eyes softened.
“But not to me. Join me. Please.”
He turned his uncle’s lightsaber off and stretched out his hand to her.
I think there is another perspective here. There are some fans who noticed that Rey is unusually proficient in using the Force with absolutely zero training and were hoping her lineage could be used as an explanation for this. Which would've been helpful, I guess. Personally, I wasn't thinking along those lines. I told everyone who asked after the TFA that I hoped Rey's parents were nobodies. Partially to annoy fans who spent ungodly amounts of time theorizing about something they had no data about.
Same here. The constant "Rey's a Kenobi!" "Rey's a Palpatine!" and now "Rey's a Qi'ra!" got old. Rey being a nobody is far more mythological in construct and adds to the overall narrative, rather than the story of one family ruining the galaxy for everyone.
That's not "another perspective"; it's an excuse designed to try and 'disguise' the fact that people couldn't or wouldn't accept the idea that she didn't need special training to be as prodigious in the Force as she was.
The evidence that Rey being a nobody was always the plan is abundant in both TFA itself and in the things that were said about the film by those involved in it (Simon Pegg, who wouldn't actually know any of the pertinent details despite his personal friendship with JJ, aside), and yet people continue to ignore said evidence and cling to "alternative facts" out of pigheaded stupidity, even after Rian Johnson officially settled the 'debate' and did so in a fashion consistent with everything that JJ had set up and that, by JJ's own admission, would have been done even if he (JJ) had been the one directing the film.
