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“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?

Disclaimer: this is not intended to dump on DSC.

Having seen the video of Sir Patrick announcing the return of Captain Picard, and the resulting extended cheer and overwhelming outpouring of positivity, I wonder whether a new show focusing on Picard could eclipse Discovery altogether.

There seems to be more positive feeling about a show in the TNG era as opposed to the pre-TOS era, and there is much love for Picard - more than for, say, Michael Burnham.

Much as I’m discoscpetic, I would hope that a new Picard show wouldn’t spell the end for DSC. The more Trek on tv the better I say.

The TOS era seems contentious - maybe DSC should spore jump ahead to the TNG era?


Why??? Why on earth does DSC has to change its premise for the sake of Patrick Stewart's new show? That doesn't make any sense to me? Why make Sonequa Martin-Green's show all about Patrick Stewart? Because that is what it sounds like. I know this probably won't happen. But if by the slim chance it does, I'm through with Star Trek.


I could honestly see this getting more attention than DISCO especially in the mainstream entertainment media. Picard/TNG have the advantage of a lot of goodwill, name recognition, and time on their side. DISCO never has felt like it got the attention that CBS I'm sure hoped it would.


Why? Because the leading character is portrayed by a white man who has worked within the franchise before, in compare to a black woman in the lead?
 
Why??? Why on earth does DSC has to change its premise for the sake of Patrick Stewart's new show? That doesn't make any sense to me?

Well, the premise of STD hasn't worked out to make much sense, period.

I think what Zorn's saying - and I do disagree with him - is that the time period in which STD is set is responsible for some of its limited popularity within Trek fandom, and that the same actors/characters, ship and storylines would be more successful in the 24th century.

I like the pre-TOS setting quite a bit, in theory. I don't think that's one of this show's shortcomings.
 
Why??? Why on earth does DSC has to change its premise for the sake of Patrick Stewart's new show? That doesn't make any sense to me? Why make Sonequa Martin-Green's show all about Patrick Stewart? Because that is what it sounds like. I know this probably won't happen. But if by the slim chance it does, I'm through with Star Trek.





Why? Because the leading character is portrayed by a white man who has worked within the franchise before, in compare to a black woman in the lead?

It’s been mooted before Stewart’s show was a thing. And SMGs show was in danger of becoming Jason Isaacs show.
I don’t think her race, ethnicity or melanin levels were a factor.
I’d rather they not Bozeman it tbh.
 
Why? Because the leading character is portrayed by a white man who has worked within the franchise before, in compare to a black woman in the lead?

It has nothing to do with race, for a majority of people anyways.

I'm sure there are some 'fans' who care, and they can go fall in a hole.
 
Why??? Why on earth does DSC has to change its premise for the sake of Patrick Stewart's new show? That doesn't make any sense to me? Why make Sonequa Martin-Green's show all about Patrick Stewart? Because that is what it sounds like. I know this probably won't happen. But if by the slim chance it does, I'm through with Star Trek.
Well firstly, my point was a question intended to encourage debate not a request or a demand. Secondly moving DSC to the 24th century (which I suggested as a joke) wouldn’t entail it becoming “all about Patrick Stewart”. There were 2 other 24th century shows that had nothing to do with Patrick Stewart. I think you meant “because that is what it sounds like to me”.

Why? Because the leading character is portrayed by a white man who has worked within the franchise before, in compare to a black woman in the lead?
Don’t mince words, Bones, tell me what you really think.

I don’t like Michael Burnham as a character.

Picard is a better known character and I would guess more popular than Michael Burnham. But yes, let’s boil the whole thing down to race and sex. I can’t see how you got that from what I said without the most superficial reaction to my post that was motivated by what I can only assume are your pre-existing attitudes towards both Patrick Stewart and Sonequa Martin-Green.

If I gave the impression that I would prefer a straight white male over an ambiguous POC female as the lead character in Star Trek then I sincerely apologise.

But I respectfully suggest that you read way more into my post than was there.

I think what Zorn's saying - and I do disagree with him - is that the time period in which STD is set is responsible for some of its limited popularity within Trek fandom, and that the same actors/characters, ship and storylines would be more successful in the 24th century.
This is sort of what I was getting at, yes. The fact that DSC is a prequel and there’s the potential for contradictory story points etc. is part of the reason why I suggested a later time period. That and the fact that TNG was the most successful Trek ever and was also set in the 24th century led me to my original suggestion. I think we’d be having fewer arguments if DSC was post-NEM... but then again, maybe not :lol:

It’s been mooted before Stewart’s show was a thing. And SMGs show was in danger of becoming Jason Isaacs show.
I don’t think her race, ethnicity or melanin levels were a factor.
I’d rather they not Bozeman it tbh.
You’re right about my original post - I only suggested that Picard was more popular than Michael - a point that I still think is correct. Race, sex, ethnicity, etc. had nothing to do with what I said.

It has nothing to do with race, for a majority of people anyways.

I'm sure there are some 'fans' who care, and they can go fall in a hole.
It has nothing to do with race for me either. I don’t know how we got from “Picard is a more popular character than Michael Burnham” (which is my opinion based only on circumstantial evidence) to a suggestion that I’d prefer a white male as the lead of the show.

Honestly if my original post came across as racist I can’t apologise enough.

I just want to discuss Star Trek with other people who like it, that’s all.
 
He meant their show.

If it is the same timeline, why would it even be a question? Why even bother mentioning it? If it is a response, why wouldn't it be "of course they exist, it is the same timeline"?
 
I just love how were beaten over the head with what the creators "said", until what they say disagrees with what some folks want to hear. Then we start getting fansplanations about how what they said isn't what they really meant.
 
Which leaves only one logical conclusion possible:
They changed the Enterprise to sell the merchandise seperatedly.

Or they just changed it to make it look closer to the starship design aesthetic that the other DSC ships have. I don't see a plethora of Discoprise merchandise, do you?

The lore man, the lore. They’re in the same story line as the other TV stories.

Ah, yes the "lore." That meaningless buzzword you love using so much.
 
That's really remarkable, isn't it? :guffaw:
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Nope
 
OK :) I guess that's why they all look so much alike. :biggrin:
Maybe that's what Klingons are supposed to look like and the other shows lacked the ability to fully achieve it. Like how they went from humans in dark makeup and hair pieces to humans with forehead pieces made from latex. Now they look more like an alien lifeform because makeup has improved over the years.
 
Maybe that's what Klingons are supposed to look like and the other shows lacked the ability to fully achieve it. Like how they went from humans in dark makeup and hair pieces to humans with forehead pieces made from latex. Now they look more like an alien lifeform because makeup has improved over the years.

Nah. They could have done this same look in the nineties or earlier.
 
Or they just changed it to make it look closer to the starship design aesthetic that the other DSC ships have. I don't see a plethora of Discoprise merchandise, do you?



Ah, yes the "lore." That meaningless buzzword you love using so much.

Standard amount of merch. Model kit inbound, expensive ‘studio model’ and a smaller Die cast one from different companies. More than we got for the enterprise D in series one of TNG.

Lore is hardly a buzzword. It’s been around a while.
 
Nah. They could have done this same look in the nineties or earlier.
Not really. The current Klingons have more detail, are able to be shown in extreme closeup without revealing any obvious tells of where skin meets latex and still allow the performance to be as expressive. They certainly wouldn't be able to create as many different ones. They could have done a full head piece, but the actor would have been extremely limited. Even the Cardassians aren't fully covered. The actual latex piece is mainly the forehead, nose, cheeks and the sides of the neck. The rest is basically painting and a few small pieces.
 
Not really. The current Klingons have more detail, are able to be shown in extreme closeup without revealing any obvious tells of where skin meets latex and still allow the performance to be as expressive. They certainly wouldn't be able to create as many different ones. They could have done a full head piece, but the actor would have been extremely limited. Even the Cardassians aren't fully covered. The actual latex piece is mainly the forehead, nose, cheeks and the sides of the neck. The rest is basically painting and a few small pieces.

Glenn Hetrick was doing similar on Buffy in the late nineties. And the biggest difference is the lack of hair.
 
Glenn Hetrick was doing similar on Buffy in the late nineties. And the biggest difference is the lack of hair.
It's not on the same scale or in back to back episodes. It does take a toll on the actors. There's not a regular character who is in constant full head makeup for the entire series.

It probably could be done, there just wasn't the budget to allow it. Although some of the behind the scenes material mentions how much 3D printing has sped up the process and allowed them to make more unique pieces. Old Trek was limited by the budget and the reality of TV production at the time. They probably had a few months to a few weeks to design, mold and use an alien makeup or new character.
 
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