Didn't War for the Planet of the Apes badly under-perform, much like Star Trek Beyond?
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Didn't War for the Planet of the Apes badly under-perform, much like Star Trek Beyond?
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War actually outgrossed Rise by nearly 10 million dollars worldwide (zero really when you factor inflation). You could argue that Dawn over performed in comparison.
I'm talking vs. expectations. I think Fox was expecting much bigger numbers for the final installment.
I'm not sure it was final. They were working on a 4th Planet of the Apes movie (though it was the final movie with Caesar obviously)
This. I never got the sense JJ Trek developed its own fanbase independent of existing Trek fans. 2009 pulled in casual fans but they didn't translate into permanent fans. Maybe a few who jones on Spock/Uhura or who are particularly into some of the stars. That's about it.
I think there is a certain segment of the Trek fanbase who are convinced that Kelvin is the right way for Trek to be made contemporary and relevant (dare I say....woke?) and that's about it. But even there, a lot of that emphasis has shifted to Discovery.
But if they made another they could just have Andy Serkis play a descendant which would be right in-line with Roddy McDowall always having a role in the old films.
Fair enough. War also had it's budget trimmed by 20 million in comparison to Dawn, so I would imagine that helped things a bit. Still after a 700 million plus haul by Dawn I guess 490m is a disappointment for the studio.
I actually thought War was the worst in the series (but still good), with Dawn being the best.
Agree with you, Rise is right there w Dawn for me tho
Yeah I love Rise almost as much as Dawn. Rise really is a superb origin film, very satisfying to watch I just thought Dawn had the slight edge overall with much better production values, FX and score.
War is still a good film. I just found it a bit depressing though, and though I love Woody Harrleson, he can't compare to Koba, who was simply awesome in Dawn.
I liked War the best of all of them. But then, I may not be the best person to ask. I'm not a huge fan of the series in the first place.
Dawn was great, if only Koba was taken out somehow before starting a mess. A peace between Humans n Apes would've been cool to watch, would've liked to Caesar, Maurice (really liked him) going into the human tower sitting n talking w others, but.....
The Kelvin timeline didn't catch on the way it was expected to. For all the hype the first two movies got and the commercial success they enjoyed it didn't translate to a new era for Star Trek. Those movies are their own thing by design and neither the general public nor Trek fans at large have become fanatical about them. The proof is in the pudding. There was no anticipation for Beyond, there's no anticipation for Part 4, no one is buying Kelvin memorabilia and Shatner, Nimoy et al are still the Kirk, Spock and company to casual and hard core fans.
None of that invalidates the Kelvin movies as their own successful franchise but clearly the rabid fandom for more Kelvin is not there. People are still lining up to see the old stars at conventions and buying TOS and TNG memorabilia over Kelvin stuff.
It's not about what's canon, what's Kelvin, what's Prime. It's about what's popular. TOS is the crown jewel of Star Trek and still a beast after 52 years. TNG is still popular too. There's no way Kelvin can compare to that after the lackadaisical way Paramount have handled that franchise since 2009.
None of that invalidates the Kelvin movies as their own successful franchise but clearly the rabid fandom for more Kelvin is not there. People are still lining up to see the old stars at conventions and buying TOS and TNG memorabilia over Kelvin stuff.
It's not about what's canon, what's Kelvin, what's Prime. It's about what's popular. TOS is the crown jewel of Star Trek and still a beast after 52 years. TNG is still popular too. There's no way Kelvin can compare to that after the lackadaisical way Paramount have handled that franchise since 2009.
I think you're probably right and make some good points here. If only we'd have seen a more joined-up approach from Paramount, in the same way the MCU has been handled, with an overarching plot that threads through the trilogy instead of, 'oh, it's been a couple of years since the last one, let's make another, who shall we have as a baddie?' then I'd like to think things would have been very different indeed.
I really don't think that TOS will stand for multiple reboots like Bond or Spiderman either - part of the appeal of Trek is it all taking place in this big rich universe that spans generations and star systems. Starting again in a few years with yet another recast of Kirk and Spock etc is simply not an option and to be honest, just isn't a fresh enough idea to bring in the punters any more, unless it ends up a total clean slate reboot that doesn't belong in Prime, Kelvin or any other continuity, but then whoever does it that end up changing that much that it just wouldn't be recognisable as Trek any more would it, it would just end up being a generic sci-fi franchise with the name Star Trek attached to it, which is not only a criticism that's already been thrown at the Kelvin movies, but as we can see, the name 'Star Trek' just hasn't managed to shake it's image problem has it?
I just don't see a bright future for the movie side of the franchise at the moment.
On the bright side, at least Trek has returned to TV, where it kind of belongs, with reasonable results and further projects announced so far.
We already have a third Pike and Spock (and I'm sure Kirk won't be far behind) on Discovery. I imagine what we will eventually see is another version of TOS, with the original shuffled off to the land of apocrypha.
I'm talking about another movie reboot, that's what I can't see happening. I'm sure if discovery really takes off from this second series then I'm sure they won't be able to resist more TOS inclusions.
I can. As long as Paramount is profiting off of them.
Considering Dawn of the the Planet of the Apes did 710M I would say War probably underperformed. But it sill did 490M on a 150M budget. That's still good (beat the 2.5x multiplier) and I bet Paramount would be very happy if a ST movie performed that well right about now.
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http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-t.../a863985/star-trek-discovery-movies-tv-shows/
Some of these articles are blowing things out of proportion, one way or another.
1) why does TV trek have to be mutually exclusive with the movies? The more the merrier!
2) I think some people are serioustly overinflating the popularity of Discovery and other on demand/streaming tv series if they honestly compare it to the movies and believe they can effectively replace the movie verse.
They also forget that TV and film are done by separate productions so it is not like they would gain anything from giving up one thing to focus only on the other.
3) simultaneously, they are playing oblivious about and minimizing the different importance, and bigger numbers, of the movies to support their narrative from point 2.
4) again, why make it mutually exclusive?
I have a feeling the rumors about the two Chris are just a pretext here. Who knows what will happen, but if the cast is on board in the end, and they have a story to tell, why give up just because someone is making a TV series?
There is still so much they can do with this trek. Even if they weren't to use the same cast in the future, they could still make spin offs from it if they wanted to.
Some of these articles are blowing things out of proportion, one way or another.
1) why does TV trek have to be mutually exclusive with the movies? The more the merrier!
2) I think some people are serioustly overinflating the popularity of Discovery and other on demand/streaming tv series if they honestly compare it to the movies and believe they can effectively replace the movie verse.
They also forget that TV and film are done by separate productions so it is not like they would gain anything from giving up one thing to focus only on the other.
3) simultaneously, they are playing oblivious about and minimizing the different importance, and bigger numbers, of the movies to support their narrative from point 2.
4) again, why make it mutually exclusive?
I have a feeling the rumors about the two Chris are just a pretext here. Who knows what will happen, but if the cast is on board in the end, and they have a story to tell, why give up just because someone is making a TV series?
There is still so much they can do with this trek. Even if they weren't to use the same cast in the future, they could still make spin offs from it if they wanted to.
To Digital Spy's credit, I think they're just saying what most people think. A friend shared the Spock casting news and somebody commented underneath "what happened to the other one?" and my friend replied Peck is the new "real Spock". She's a science fiction fan and even she considers the JJ movies as Fake Trek, so does the general public really care if they don't make any more of them?
They definitely were, according to the Reddit Box Office sub I follow. But at the same time War still made a profit and is a prestige franchise for them. Even if the film lost money, they would be fine with it in the grand scheme, as it's bigger than any given movie.
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