A 25-minute video? C'mon, give me a nice succinct article I can skim. Ain't no one got time for that.
Spoilers New Picard TV Series and Litverse Continuity (may contain TV show spoilers)
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I agree.
There are some posters who are hoping that with Kirsten Beyer in charge that the new show won’t contradict the novelverse and it will continue.
Even were that to happen, and I don’t think it will, the business model must show that novels based on currently airing series will sell more copies than novels based on series that haven’t aired new episodes in around 20 years.
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Except that TOS novels have always been among the best-selling Trek books.
And the MURDER SHE WROTE novels are still going strong. Really.
Except that TOS novels have always been among the best-selling Trek books.
And the MURDER SHE WROTE novels are still going strong. Really.
They’re obviously getting enough sales to continue being published but do you know how their sales figures compare to novels based on series that are still airing?
I always find it a bit funny that TOS novels sell really good in the US, but in Germany having one per year is already a risk and won't sell well.
Let's just say that I'm still getting royalties on some of my old TNG books, even thought the show has been off the air for decades, but never saw a penny in royalties from, say, my ROSWELL or ALIAS books, even though they were published while those shows were still on the air.
And the MURDER SHE WROTE novels are still going strong. Really.
I wonder how much of that is because Donald Bain decided to write MSW novels for the entire back half of his career. Was he commissioned by the producers, or did he approach them consistently for the opportunity?
There's a difference between a large multimedia property like Star Trek with hundreds of authors wanting to place their mark, and small, mostly dead franchises like Murder She Wrote.
That's not a very nice thing to say about me. Why am I supposed to assume the information in that video is lies?
Those kind of videos are the same as us discussing the topic in here, speculating potential outcomes on next to no information at all.
I am aware of that. As has been stated here and other places, the books follow the programme, the programme does not follow the books. To think otherwise is just folly.
That could be because in total, there are three times as many English (360ish million) speakers in the world than German (100ish million) speakers and the sales represent this. - French is more widely spoken than German, yet I have never actually seen someone in here mention French translations.
From where I am sitting, although you posted that ridiculously long and speculative video, the comment about gullible people was not aimed squarely at you, more like the individuals that see a video, watch it and think, hey, this must be the gospel truth as it adheres to my world view and my own opinions and commit no critical thinking to the material.
I meant that the sales of the TOS novels in Germany suck in comparison to other Trek novels in Germany. Of course German Trek novels will sell less overall, as you pointed out the overall audience for English books is much larger than for German ones.
I was going by people who speak it as a first language, as a second or even third language, the total is 1.5 Billion and as it is easier to read such as a Trek novel something in our native language, I decided to not muddy the waters with the non "native" speakers.
Just ask yourself if what you're watching/reading truly makes sense, or if it is just reinforcing your own thoughts on the matter.
We all have built in biases, sometimes you have to step outside yourself (which is hard) and try to look only at what the actual facts are. Videos like the one posted are insidious, in that they will take a fact or two and build an entire conspiracy around those facts, then present it all as true.
My general rule for Hollywood stuff like this is, if it doesn't come from Deadline/TVLine, The Hollywood Reporter, Variety, or Entertainment Weekly it's probably bullshit. I kind of trust sites like Io9 or CBR if it's something they've gotten directly from a first hand source, but I still tend to doubt their stuff more than I would the others.
Let's just say that I'm still getting royalties on some of my old TNG books, even thought the show has been off the air for decades, but never saw a penny in royalties from, say, my ROSWELL or ALIAS books, even though they were published while those shows were still on the air.
If, like me, your reaction to this is "Wait, when did Greg write a TNG book?" you're forgetting his Q-Continuum trilogy from way back in summer of 1998 (reprinted in 2003 as an omnibus in the short-lived "Signature Edition" line). Which is a little embarrassing, since I still remember the books themselves, though I guess that I read them before I started paying close attention to the authors (and certainly before we were all hanging out here on the internet).
That's the trick. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. People are more forgiving about things spoken to them than things they read, which is why videos are so popular for conspiracy theories. If it's a video and there isn't a really compelling reason for it not to be an essay (like, original graphics or footage that isn't just someone sitting in front of their computer, or video clips that are analyzed in some way rather than just illustrating what's being said), then it's probably trying to make up for a shallowness of thought with a more engrossing presentation. It's like if you read a transcript of a con-man's patter, it's obvious they aren't saying anything, but spoken aloud, it's taking you on a journey, and you're just along for the ride.
If anything I think it's more likely Kirsten Beyer's background with the novels means that the tie-in novels for this show are going to be coordinated by someone on the show's production staff, with the authors being able to visit set, meet with writers and even offer limited input into the show itself. Sort of like what we're already seeing with Disco and its novels, which Beyer herself helps coordinate.
Exactly. The internet has a bad habit of blurring the distinction between speculation, rumors, wild theories, wishful thinking, and actual news. Never take any internet "rumor" at face value, especially if it seems overly melodramatic and sensational. ("CBS plotting to destroy Prime TREK for nefarious reasons!")
Carl Sagan famously stated that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. An overwrought, anonymous YouTube video doesn't meet this common-sense smell test.
Yeah, I too am careful about the internet. There are a few sites I turn to for official Trek news. The official site of course. Memory-Alpha is generally pretty good (I know it's a wiki but I usually find things there are pretty accurate), trekmovie.com is generally pretty good too. I don't comment there as much as I used to (it can get ugly sometimes) but it generally has good info.
One of the things I look for is source references. Esp. with wikis, like Wikipedia even. If it has source references and links to actual sources, I generally find it to be more reliable. If it doesn't have sources though I take it with a grain of sault. And the who. That is, who is the information from? If it's someone like Alex Kurtzman, well, it's probably pretty reliable
. Rumors, no I don't put stock into that. I speculate along with the best of them, like you know, my prediction that Star Trek books would be back in no time and not to worry 
. We all speculate. But I don't take what people say and assume that's the truth.
In a way social media is probably the worse thing that has happened to actual 'truth'. It allows people to peddle rumors and outright lies as the truth--and it allows people to not engage with those who disagree with us. We're a dangerous species when we live in our own little bubbles and don't challenge our own preconceptions and beliefs.
One of the things I look for is source references. Esp. with wikis, like Wikipedia even. If it has source references and links to actual sources, I generally find it to be more reliable. If it doesn't have sources though I take it with a grain of sault. And the who. That is, who is the information from? If it's someone like Alex Kurtzman, well, it's probably pretty reliable
. Rumors, no I don't put stock into that. I speculate along with the best of them, like you know, my prediction that Star Trek books would be back in no time and not to worry . We all speculate. But I don't take what people say and assume that's the truth. In a way social media is probably the worse thing that has happened to actual 'truth'. It allows people to peddle rumors and outright lies as the truth--and it allows people to not engage with those who disagree with us. We're a dangerous species when we live in our own little bubbles and don't challenge our own preconceptions and beliefs.
There was also DRAGON'S HOUR (co-written with Kij Johson), plus assorted short stories and novellas and such. I think the last TNG thing I wrote was the sloth story in the SEVEN DEADLY SINS anthology.
