There is no ethics involved here. Purely business.
Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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There is no ethics involved here. Purely business.
Edgy comedy IS sexist. And that goes for both genders, BTW. It just took a while for the women to catch up. But comedy is in large part just a socially acceptable way for people to vent about groups they don't like or don't understand, and the most universal source of group tension is gender.
But remember that the left is the one normally seen as being overly PC and trigger-happy when it comes to "edgy" free-speech. Why then would the left come out in droves to defend Gunn? Would they do the same if those tweets were made by Cernovich? Of course, not. So this is pure tribalism at play here.
It's way too soon to know whether Gunn's entire career is over. Even if it is, the guy is probably set for life already and can retire on an island someplace. Why should we weep for him one way or another?
After a few days of following this, I'm going with my first response: tempest in a teapot. A guy who had a high public-profile contract with a company embarrassed them and they cut him loose. It's pretty cut-and-dried business.
The people who stirred this up are cancer-worthy assholes, but what can you do?
The people who stirred this up are cancer-worthy assholes, but what can you do?
If the petition to bring back Gunn doesn't work then I definitely support Taika.
Some may not have liked "Ragnarok" but I think he could definitely bring the vibrancy and musical choices for "Guardians 3"
Although I did notice that there weren't alot of heartfelt moments in "Ragnarok" It was mostly jokey.
Some may not have liked "Ragnarok" but I think he could definitely bring the vibrancy and musical choices for "Guardians 3"
Although I did notice that there weren't alot of heartfelt moments in "Ragnarok" It was mostly jokey.
Spoilers: it’s not going to work.
Ragnarok was fine, but it suffered the same problem GOTG2, any time there was an emotional moment, it would get stepped on by a joke.
the risk eventually runs of running a fake-moral crusade into the ground by ruining the career of everyone who told a dirty joke, made a statement they've long since repented of or tried their hand at telling "the Aristocrats". Doesn't help people that have their career augured in by it, of course. The next generations are going to be far more succinct about what they say in public or on any sort of media.
The hypocrisy is that Disney, and other companies have no problem hiring Mark Wahlburg to star or produce films when he's commited racial charged violence more than once in the past. But he's sorry about that, now.
I don't approve of what Gunn did but that's peanuts compared to a lot of the slime in Hollywood. They just made him a sacrificial lamb to appease an even greater scumbag.
The hypocrisy is that Disney, and other companies have no problem hiring Mark Wahlburg to star or produce films when he's commited racial charged violence more than once in the past. But he's sorry about that, now.
I don't approve of what Gunn did but that's peanuts compared to a lot of the slime in Hollywood. They just made him a sacrificial lamb to appease an even greater scumbag.
True, there's plenty of turds in the pool of Hollywood, some more floaty than others..
There's a difference between actions taken as a kid and actions taken when one is 40. Mark has appologized profusly, and was 20 years ago, and he has not repeated any of that. So, I belive in redemption, Robert Downey Jr, Mel Gibson, etc. You can take a hard left in your life, but I'm happy that they can get another chance. I've seen to many times where a person screws up, and no one gives them another chance. If Mr. Gunn puts this behind him, and in time we give him another chance and see what happens.
Its like people who have been to jail, do we write them off totaly? give them no job what so ever not even a burger flipper?? People make mistakes, circumstances happen, bad childhoods etc. People learn, grow (well most.. some don't) and they deserve every chance at a happy life for themselves. Give people a chance.
There's a difference between actions taken as a kid and actions taken when one is 40. Mark has appologized profusly, and was 20 years ago, and he has not repeated any of that. So, I belive in redemption, Robert Downey Jr, Mel Gibson, etc. You can take a hard left in your life, but I'm happy that they can get another chance. I've seen to many times where a person screws up, and no one gives them another chance. If Mr. Gunn puts this behind him, and in time we give him another chance and see what happens.
Its like people who have been to jail, do we write them off totaly? give them no job what so ever not even a burger flipper?? People make mistakes, circumstances happen, bad childhoods etc. People learn, grow (well most.. some don't) and they deserve every chance at a happy life for themselves. Give people a chance.
Well, no one's viewing this as an attempt to change his behavior. It's not corrective.
But now it's out there in a big way - because of the job it cost him and the web publicity. It'll be baked in to the decision to hire him by whoever does so next, years from now, in a media environment which continues to expose and increasingly to desensitize the mouse-clicking/screen-swiping public to every kind of online acting out.
But now it's out there in a big way - because of the job it cost him and the web publicity. It'll be baked in to the decision to hire him by whoever does so next, years from now, in a media environment which continues to expose and increasingly to desensitize the mouse-clicking/screen-swiping public to every kind of online acting out.
But, it wasn’t A joke or A statement. It was a series of jokes for the express purpose of getting attention.
I wonder how many people who enjoyed the LotR films were aware of Peter Jackson's earlier works...
Not I. Still haven't seen any of them. Doubtful my wife or any of my family have either.
Granted this was Marvel at the time but look who they hired to start this universe
Robert Downey Jr.
Multiple visits to prison and arrests and odd behavior like waking up in a strangers house...sleeping in a little girls room.
But why should Gunn in particular need to be made a poster-child for forgiveness and not, let's say, John Lasseter? How about Stephen Collins (aka Decker Unit) if you want an issue that went way way back?
If forgiveness is a virtue then who receives it and who doesn't?
So you can cry foul over mob justice, but mob forgiveness is just as fickle and selective.
The reason Gunn got fired is because the current cultural atmosphere is that of zero-tolerance for toxicity--with no statute of limitations.
And where does one draw the line between jokes in poor taste and toxicity?
"Family Guy" has been airing for years, and I find it hard to believe Gunn's jokes were so horribly worse than some of the things that show's touched on. They had an inappropriately joyful song about someone being diagnosed with AIDS, for starters (the closest I recall personally coming to walking away).
"Family Guy" has been airing for years, and I find it hard to believe Gunn's jokes were so horribly worse than some of the things that show's touched on. They had an inappropriately joyful song about someone being diagnosed with AIDS, for starters (the closest I recall personally coming to walking away).
The puppet one was hysterical.
Family Guy is terrible. What a lousy bar of comedy to set. But, FOX has people watching it. They are cool with it.
If Gunn had been working for FOX rather than Disney, maybe he wouldn't have been fired.
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