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Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"

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BillJ said:
We've always lived like this. People trying to bring down people is as old as civilization.

Gunn/Barr/Fill-in-the-blank can apologize and become upright citizens, but that doesn't change the pain they may have others by their words and actions. It doesn't change the fact an employer has to weigh whether or not the actions could detrimentally affect their business.
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Of course people have always tried to bring people down but the internet has perfected it to a new level. Especially since the idea of what the internet is today is different from how it use to be seen. It use to be a place of freedom without any rules. Now it is a way of life for so people they think it is as important as the outside world. Not to mention the whole aspect of being able to hide who you are or people who want to use to become a internet star have help make the place more toxic, overtime. It was a bad idea for people to start getting their news from the internet. We kind of messed up with social media and it's kind of destroying civility which allows vandals like Trump to move in and get power.

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
Yes but if people are not allowed mistakes or personal differences then that same logic can be applied to anything. Are you telling me you have lived your whole life with no mistakes or no regrets or even any opinions that other people might not agree with? That you are basically pure and always above petty human failings?

Jason
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Nope. But that said, I haven't POSTED said mistakes to a public medium on the world wide internet that were archived. Like people are telling you, NO ONE RUINED James Gunn's job with Disney except James Gunn - and unlike Rosanne Barr; Mr. Gun has taken and accepted full responsibility - and isn't trying to pass the posts off as things people 'don't understand'; or claim they were done in an drug fueled (say like oh, Ambien) haze.

Again, James Gunn is IN A PROFESSION that takes public image very seriously. <---- He KNEW that, yet did what he did, and is now dealing with the consequences.
 
BillJ said:
If one is braindead, like many Americans are, where they get their news isn't going to make them any less braindead.
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Maybe but if things are getting worst you got to try something new or in this case something old. I say make "Newspapers great again."


Jason
 
Noname Given said:
Nope. But that said, I haven't POSTED said mistakes to a public medium on the world wide internet that were archived. Like people are telling you, NO ONE RUINED James Gunn's job with Disney except James Gunn - and unlike Rosanne Barr; Mr. Gun has taken and accepted full responsibility - and isn't trying to pass the posts off as things people 'don't understand'; or claim they were done in an drug fueled (say like oh, Ambien) haze.

Again, James Gunn is IN A PROFESSION that takes public image very seriously. <---- He KNEW that, yet did what he did, and is now dealing with the consequences.
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Yes but soon we all will be paying for the consequences for allowing the these right-wing hacks to manipulate Disney. We are basically handing them victories and and and a new tool to use on the people. Actually it was at least their second victory. Stormy Daniels was the the first. I guess it's good for Trump now that he basically has his own KGB. Maybe Putin helped him set it up.

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
Yes but soon we all will be paying for the consequences for allowing the these right-wing hacks to manipulate Disney. We are basically handing them victories and and and a new tool to use on the people. Actually it was at least their second victory. Stormy Daniels was the the first. I guess it's good for Trump now that he basically has his own KGB. Maybe Putin helped him set it up.

Jason
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Nobody 'manipulated' Disney. The smart person would take care as to what they post PUBLICLY to any social media; or public info source that can be archived. Personal activity on Social Media isn't required for any critical function in your life. A good rule of thumb for ANYONE: "Think before you hit <Post>"
 
Noname Given said:
Nobody 'manipulated' Disney. The smart person would take care as to what they post PUBLICLY to any social media; or public info source that can be archived. Personal activity on Social Media isn't required for any critical function in your life. A good rule of thumb for ANYONE: "Think before you hit <Post>"
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Saw the time travel episode of Duckman last night where James Madison has a cameo... "I just wanted to clear up a few things about the constitution: The first amendment applies to all speech, all the time, always, and no one has a constitutional right to own a machine gun, because we we are not insane."
 
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Noname Given said:
The smart person would take care as to what they post PUBLICLY to any social media; or public info source that can be archived.
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This smart person is, like homo economicus, a hypothetical construct whose actual existence is a matter of dispute.
 
Noname Given said:
Nobody 'manipulated' Disney. The smart person would take care as to what they post PUBLICLY to any social media; or public info source that can be archived. Personal activity on Social Media isn't required for any critical function in your life. A good rule of thumb for ANYONE: "Think before you hit <Post>"
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The important word you said was "smart person." People can do dumb things. It's not always about a person s ethics or intelligence. Sometimes the ole brain lets us down. Which then means a in many cases a person's punishment rides basically on how lucky they are. I totally agree about social media. I have said many times about ow much I hate Twitter and Facebook. I look forward to the day when people return to chatrooms and message boards or real life. Maybe "Ready Player One"had a good idea. People can't get on the internet on Tuesdays and Sundays.

Jason
 
BillJ said:
What if it was a left-wing person who found them and brought them to light? Why would that make a difference? It isn't like the right-wingers created the tweets and tried to attribute them to Gunn. Gunn made them.
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It wouldn't matter if a left-winger did it IMO. It would still be wrong. Actually I have less issue with the jokes being exposed or people being pissed at him. That seems very reasonable. It is the part of being fired for bad taste jokes made 6 years ago that didn't target specific individuals. To be fired you need a crime or show bad performance or show you are targeting a individual IMO to deserve to be fired. He broke no laws,made 2 great movies and his jokes were non-specific scenario's. He is basically making fun at a concept instead of a actual human being. It's like getting mad at the writers of "Star Wars" by showing Darth Vadar choke someone. Murder is a real thing but Vadar is not really killing someone for real. I mean I can answer why I didn't like the jokes. It is because he is making fun of the sex act and not just the concept in some more broad way for social commentary. He was going for shock humor which is a kind of humor I dislike. Still I don't feel like it is my place to put my feelings over someone else's views,especially since it seems they have changed and he has become more mature. I thought his apology was a good thing not to mention how he had grown as a person. I think that is very important and not something you just wash your hands off as if the maturity part never happened. It really sends a bad message in so many ways both to the people who manipulated the story for politcal reasons and letting them get a win basically for Trump or how it says that forgiveness no longer matters. Becoming a better person doesn't even matter. Whatever mistake you once did that is all that will ever count.


Jason
 
It's a question of future job performance.

Will half the expected audience for guardians of the galaxy 3 stay home in protest, if James Gun is not fired?

Jim is now as tarnished as Roman Polanski or Woody Alan... Both of who still get work.
 
I doubt that he's in the Polanski camp. He certainly shouldn't be, but more to the point he's less well-known publicly than Polanski was in his heyday and his attachment to a project will not long be a subject on most folks' radar.

Allen is an object lesson in the pitfalls of the mass entertainment industry for the creative folk who make it work: Gunn is out despite filling Disney's coffers with loot because he was at the end an anonymous hireling. Allen still works despite anything and everything because he makes his own work - he answers to no one but, presumable, investors - and investing in his films raises no one's media profile in an embarrassing fashion.
 
Serveaux said:
I doubt that he's in the Polanski camp. He certainly shouldn't be, but more to the point he's less well-known publicly than Polanski was in his heyday and his attachment to a project will not long be a subject on most folks' radar.

Allen is an object lesson in the pitfalls of the mass entertainment industry for the creative folk who make it work: Gunn is out despite filling Disney's coffers with loot because he was at the end an anonymous hireling. Allen still works despite anything and everything because he makes his own work - he answers to no one but, presumable, investors - and investing in his films raises no one's media profile in an embarrassing fashion.
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I see it (unfortunately) as pass/fail.

If you're %5 a Polanski, then you're a full Polanski.
 
This is an issue that people have been warning about for a number of years now. Posts on social media are forever and can (and apparently will) affect your employment opportunities in the future. There are no shortage of people who have grown up with social media who will have posted stupid things at some point in their past that may one day cost them a job. Unfortunately people tend not to think that far into the future when they post things. And this is especially difficult with changing attitudes. Things that might have seemed OK or just a little edgy 10 years ago are now unacceptable. And who knows what stupid jokes we make now might be considered outrageous in another 10 years?

I'd hope that people could consider what people did in the past in the light of their current behaviour, because even people who posted nasty, racist, sexist, etc. comments in the past have the potential to change. If they've said unacceptable things in the past and still hold to those opinions in the present, then they should be held to account. But if they've clearly changed and regret what they've said in the past, let it go. But I suspect that's a bit much to ask of people these days.
 
Gavin70 said:
This is an issue that people have been warning about for a number of years now. Posts on social media are forever and can (and apparently will) affect your employment opportunities in the future. There are no shortage of people who have grown up with social media who will have posted stupid things at some point in their past that may one day cost them a job. Unfortunately people tend not to think that far into the future when they post things. And this is especially difficult with changing attitudes. Things that might have seemed OK or just a little edgy 10 years ago are now unacceptable. And who knows what stupid jokes we make now might be considered outrageous in another 10 years?

I'd hope that people could consider what people did in the past in the light of their current behaviour, because even people who posted nasty, racist, sexist, etc. comments in the past have the potential to change. If they've said unacceptable things in the past and still hold to those opinions in the present, then they should be held to account. But if they've clearly changed and regret what they've said in the past, let it go. But I suspect that's a bit much to ask of people these days.
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What I am wondering is where this is all heading. Usually language changes over time and things that used to be acceptable become seen as racist or sexist. I've always wondering though if their is a breaking point where people simply feel like they can't say anything because at times it really does feel like anything you say will offend. I'm not sure you can maintain that kind of feeling before people just want to revolt. I've wondered if this has been a big influence on the rise of the Alt-Right. In the past I think people had a better grasp on what words were wrong but as the list grows so does the feeling of censorship and a loss of freedom. I've also wondered if it has been to fast in a shorter period of time. How long did it take for the N word and C word fore example to really sink into culture were it was seen by most as bad words? Is it possible for change to happen to fast especially when it seems like everything is changing at once. Plus how does the number of mix signals impact society. On one hand things feel super PC I guess is the best word to use yet at the same time you got Trump in office and Nazi's becoming part of the culture. It's like the country has somehow become more liberal and more right-wing at the same time. How in the world does that happen? Do moderates even exist anymore or have any influence on anything?

Jason
 
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