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Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"

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Hell Disney needs to drop the "Disney" in it's name when you think about the kind of person Walt Disney was. What's next? Naming a theme park after David Duke?

Jason
 
Looks like Dan Harmon's next. "Rick & Morty" cancellation coming soon?

What did he do this time? As much as I think he is talented he is kind of out their and someone I would have more doubts about than James Gunn. Also I thought Trevor Noah was suppose to be next?


Jason
 
What happened with Dan Harmon?
I really don't have problem with people being fired for bad behavior, I had no problem with Roseann's firing or the lawyer who's racist rant was posted online, but I do think it's unfair unfair when it's something that happened years ago, which the person has apologized for and stopped.
Realizing now just how big of a plot this was by the right-wing nut jobs, it really pisses me off. Giving these people what they want really sets an absolutely horrible precedent.
 
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What happened with Dan Harmon?

An old video of him pretending to rape a baby doll reappeared. And given that the alt-righters love nothing more than accusing Hollywood of being full of pedophiles he really handed it to them on a plate.
 
What happened with Dan Harmon?
I really don't have problem with people being fired for bad behavior, I had no problem with Roseann's firing or the who's racist rant was posted online, but I do think it's unfair unfair when it's something that happened years ago, which the person has apologized for and stopped.
Realizing now just how big of a plot this was by the right-wing nut jobs, it really pisses me off. Giving these people what they want really sets an absolutely horrible precedent.

I predicted it at the start of #MeToo. I knew they would subvert the system. I've been waiting for and hoping we liberals don't take the bait. It's not long until they go after the big fish and that is Liberals running in elections. We are watching the means of the destruction of the Blue Wave I expect, that people were counting on to turn things around.

Jason
 
Is the firing legitimate? Yes. Disney is not required to keep an employee who would represent disgrace by association. They are not required to fire such a person either. It is their choice to make.
Should he suffer total career collapse? Not if what has been reported in numerous outlets is true--he has apologized, he has not continued the aberrant behaviour and he accepts responsibility for his earlier actions. He did nothing illegal (if poor taste is ever outlawed, even the American prison system will never keep up with demand), so he hardly deserves eternal punishment. However, he has now learned the lesson that freedom of expression is not freedom from consequence. One hopes he doesn't forget it anytime soon. Also, it is a good reminder to any and all who post on social media platforms--unlike having some buddies over for a few beers and being obnoxiously offensive in the moment (in private), social media is as public as it gets. Alas, far too few will learn from this example.

Yeah, I think career collapse would be ridiculous. He’s a talented guy, seems like he’s easy to work with. There should be plenty of work in his future.
 
An old video of him pretending to rape a baby doll reappeared. And given that the alt-righters love nothing more than accusing Hollywood of being full of pedophiles he really handed it to them on a plate.
Yikes, it'll be interesting to see if anything more comes of that.
 
Hell Disney needs to drop the "Disney" in it's name when you think about the kind of person Walt Disney was. What's next? Naming a theme park after David Duke?

Jason

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/09/09/walt-disney-jim-henson-pbs-documentary/71891210/

The documentary does not address charges by his colleagues and relatives that Disney was sexist, anti-Semitic and racist, aside from the backlash against the now-banned Song of the South.

Colt defends her choice to omit these less-flattering qualities because, from her research, "There isn't a smoking gun that shows Disney was anti-Semitic" (a view Gabler echoes). As for alleged racism and misogyny, "Disney was very much of his time and place," Colt says. Hiring the studio's first African-American animator, Floyd Norman, in the late 1950s and promoting female animators as time went on, "it wasn't like he was so ahead of his time or behind the times that it felt like it was a remarkable thing."

So what is it you are referring to?
 
I'd say the biggest difference between Trump and Gunn is that Trump has continued this kind of behavior pretty much continuously since those tapes were recorded, while Gunn has since apologized and stopped that behavior.

Right, plus Trump outright said he had nothing to apologize for, meaning he was nothing wrong with the behavior, which he dismissed as mere "locker room talk" or whatever.

And even ignoring all the differences, I don't think there's anything odd or hypocritical about holding a presidential nominee to a higher standard than a movie director.

Wanting Gunn to be fired for his vile comments makes sense. All these invalid comparisons people are making to Trump or Roseanne or whoever don't.
 
It seems to me that all the recent firings and resignations are not necessarily a bad thing, but it may be happening for the wrong reasons. Few of the "guilty" parties would be jobless without the current outrage over behavior that was once borderline, if not accepted. Some have been fired or forced out over unproven allegations, if for no reason other than to save face for the employer.

The "slippery slope" warning is tossed around willy-nilly, but it's important to remember that the longer this goes on and the larger the outrage class gets, the more it becomes possible that the next target could be sitting in your seat. Right or wrong, just be careful what you say or do. Nothing goes away, and eyes and ears are everywhere.

Just sayin'.
 
I don't have a problem with people being punished for bad behavior, but at the same time it is a bit scary just how quick they are to fire people right now.
 
Over on Facebook, Jim Starlin himself has joined in the debate.

Jim Starlin said:
After giving it a couple days to think over this James Gunn/Disney controversy, I've come to the conclusion that the Mouse got played. Yes, Gunn's decade-old tweets were distasteful and stupid, but clearly meant to be foolishly provocative rather than taken as advocacy. The whole uproar over them was plainly ginned up by two Breitbart hatchet men, John Nolte and Mike Cernovich, in response to Rosanne Barr's firing for her repeated hate-filled and racist tweets. I have to agree with Dave Bautisa on this one. Disney accepted a ridiculous apple and oranges argument and made one hell of a bad call.
 
You get fired if the behavior is going to hurt the company or cost tbem money esp through a boycott. The easy -to-organzie mass action is ruining many ppls businesses and lives. Someone is either "mobbed" and ruined; or fired so that a mob won't ruin a business. Gunn's situation strikes some as too harsh a punishment, but that's the times we live in.
 
Is one of the guys who did this scam that same knucklehead that dressed like a Pimp to bring down Acorn and then tried to plant a bug in a Democratic election headquarters?

Jason
 
Bobcat Goldthwait:
I love James Gunn. He’s a loyal friend, super talented, passionate and kind. I wanted to say something, here it is: Dear Disney, I would hate for you to come off as hypocritical, so I’m suggesting that you remove my voice from an attraction that’s coming to your park. It’s called WORLD OF COLOR – VILLAINOUS, and I reprise the tole of Pain, a role I played in Hercules.

You see here’s the deal. Years ago I made a lot of sarcastically shocking and offensive jokes. Many that I’m embarrassed about now, and I’d hate to make you guys look bad seeing that I’m openly critical of the president and his administration, and you seem to be taking your lead from some of his radical fringe supporters.
Where did you see this quote?
 
I suppose the association of these kinds of remarks with the Disney name might have cost them a few bucks in the short term and somewhat tarnished their brand. "Disney" has a vague, completely unearned reputation for wholesomeness, at least among elderly shut ins.

What's a bit sad is that folding in the face of trolling by a couple of right-wing miscreants and firing the guy whose creative vision has earned the corporation hundreds of millions of dollars by transforming a comic no one but a few nerds gave a shit about into an international phenomenon will not cost them the sale of a single ticket to GGoTG 3. Not one.

No wonder the studio bosses have such contempt for their audiences.
 
I would say you could boycott or try to organize one over their perceived unjust, hair trigger firing of Gunn. That would be recursive or ironic or something and might just cost the mouse a few ticket sales. Yours at least.
 
I would say you could boycott or try to organize one over their perceived unjust, hair trigger firing of Gunn. That would be recursive or ironic or something and might just cost the mouse a few ticket sales. Yours at least.

There won't be a boycott but sooner or later Marvel is going to have it's "Solo" and this might end up being it. Soon as people have someone to garner their anger around. The Marvel version of Katleen Kennedy. I feel bad for the person who will replace him. They will be taking some unfair criticism and also dealing with the fact the movie most likely won't be as good. These movies were very unique from the other Marvel movies and I don't think you can replicate the same feel with a new creator behind it.

Jason
 
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