Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"

[Kor]

As long as they obey the laws they can have control. One of the laws though shouldn't be them being able to control people's lives away from work. What you do at home on your computer and at the job have nothing in common. Whether they hire someone or fires someone should be restricted to job performance. Anything else is to much power. Granted I do believe in a few things that should be kind of forced on them. Higher taxes,diversity in the workplace which might require something like affirmitive action
Mandatory Unions for it's workers. That is about it.

Jason

One time a company I worked for added a clause to the employee handbook, explicitly stating that employees could be terminated if they are ever convicted of illegal activities done off-premises on their own time. There was some mock outrage in response.

Kor

 

[BillJ]

One time a company I worked for added a clause to the employee handbook, explicitly stating that employees could be terminated if they are ever convicted of illegal activities done off-premises on their own time. There was some mock outrage in response.

Kor

When I worked in Corporate America, that clause was always in the employee handbook.

 

[Mudd]

Companies don't do that shit because the people running them are moral or care, but to limit their legal liabilities and, as Zoom says, protect their corporate reputations or "brand."

 

[Jayson1]

Were you this upset over Rosanne being fired? It was, after all, her personal life and she didn’t break the law.

Rosanne's joke was directed at a real person. Not a fictional construct? Big difference. She also has a history of bad behavior. As for now I actually feel kind of bad. Not that she was fired. I think that was deserved. It's more of the fun people have in taking her down which even I was part off. She is someone who was sexually assaulted as a kid and had a bad ex-husband and she has mental illness and from what I understand multiple personality disorder or whatever it is called today. She should have never been hired to begin with because she has some real mental issues and needs help.

Jason

 

[valkyrie013]

I'm a firm beliver of calling a spade a spade, regardless if its Red or Blue.. If he done wrong in Disney's eyes and a they wanted to fire him, its there right, he can sue for broken contract or the like if he feels like it was wrongfull, up to him.
Personal story time:
Former boss, went to a company event, this was a public event in a public setting, not like an office party at the office type. He drank to much, he behaved the ass, next week the company let him go. Were they right to fire him? Maybe. Could they have just suspended him? Yes, but it was there call, and he was an upper rung person that was kind of a "Face" of the company in that he interacted with the public alot, so him being the ass in public doens't reflect kindly on the bussiness, so.. zoooop.. gone.
I just want things to be fair, people given a chance to explain, appologize, then see if they can work it thru. Its up to each person and bussiness, we here in the peanut gallery have no say, and we definatly don't have all the facts.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Rosanne's joke was directed at a real person. Not a fictional construct? Big difference. She also has a history of bad behavior. As for now I actually feel kind of bad. Not that she was fired. I think that was deserved. It's more of the fun people have in taking her down which even I was part off. She is someone who was sexually assaulted as a kid and had a bad ex-husband and she has mental illness and from what I understand multiple personality disorder or whatever it is called today. She should have never been hired to begin with because she has some real mental issues and needs help.

Jason

But what does the difference matter? Making fun of a person isn’t illegal. So which is it? A company can’t fire someone for doing legal things on their own time or can?

And now you are saying people with mental health issues shouldn’t be hired? Now, that sort of thing is actually illegal.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm a liberal and I think Disney made the right decision. As for the Guardians franchise, I don't think it will suffer much. Frankly, I didn't enjoy volume 2 nearly as much as volume 1 and maybe a fresh set of eyes will do the franchise good.

 

[Jayson1]

But what does the difference matter? Making fun of a person isn’t illegal. So which is it? A company can’t fire someone for doing legal things on their own time or can?

And now you are saying people with mental health issues shouldn’t be hired? Now, that sort of thing is actually illegal.

The difference is like I mentioned it was directed at a real person. Also she did it just this year. He did his 6 years ago and apologized. We haven't heard of any future bad behavior since then. As for mental illness your right. That shouldn't have prevented her from being hired. I was wrong on that one. As someone who got fired because of mental illness I should know that. If her recent behavior though is to go by anything it proably wasn't a good idea in retrospect. People missed any of the warning signs that she might not handle the pressure very well. She kind of made her own bed though and Gunn though was simply someone having his old laundry being dragged out for political reasons more than the fact that he has been going around causing trouble. It's basically what happened to Stormy Daniels and her arrest. Sending the message that if you speak out against, dear leader we can ruin you.

Jason

 

[DonIago]

I'm a firm beliver of calling a spade a spade, regardless if its Red or Blue.. If he done wrong in Disney's eyes and a they wanted to fire him, its there right, he can sue for broken contract or the like if he feels like it was wrongfull, up to him.
Personal story time:
Former boss, went to a company event, this was a public event in a public setting, not like an office party at the office type. He drank to much, he behaved the ass, next week the company let him go. Were they right to fire him? Maybe. Could they have just suspended him? Yes, but it was there call, and he was an upper rung person that was kind of a "Face" of the company in that he interacted with the public alot, so him being the ass in public doens't reflect kindly on the bussiness, so.. zoooop.. gone.
I just want things to be fair, people given a chance to explain, appologize, then see if they can work it thru. Its up to each person and bussiness, we here in the peanut gallery have no say, and we definatly don't have all the facts.

Would the boss have been fired if he'd behaved like an ass over five years earlier and offered an apology that was accepted at the time, and then someone decided to make an issue of it in the present?

Comparing the Gunn and Rosanne situations isn't valid because one of them occurred in the immediate present while the other was old news. If Disney hadn't fired Gunn we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

 

[flandry84]

Of all people that should be wary of being “historically un-pc” it would be Disney,eh?

 

[Professor Zoom]

The difference is like I mentioned it was directed at a real person. Also she did it just this year. He did his 6 years ago and apologized. We haven't heard of any future bad behavior since then. As for mental illness your right. That shouldn't have prevented her from being hired. I was wrong on that one. As someone who got fired because of mental illness I should know that. If her recent behavior though is to go by anything it proably wasn't a good idea in retrospect. People missed any of the warning signs that she might not handle the pressure very well. She kind of made her own bed though and Gunn though was simply someone having his old laundry being dragged out for political reasons more than the fact that he has been going around causing trouble. It's basically what happened to Stormy Daniels and her arrest. Sending the message that if you speak out against, dear leader we can ruin you.

Jason

You stated Gunn shouldn’t be fired for doing something on his own time that wasn’t illegal. Rosanne did the same thing. Why does the target matter? What Rosanne did wasn’t illegal and was on her own time.

Let me be blunt: I think you’re being hypocritical.

 

[Jayson1]

You stated Gunn shouldn’t be fired for doing something on his own time that wasn’t illegal. Rosanne did the same thing. Why does the target matter? What Rosanne did wasn’t illegal and was on her own time.

Let me be blunt: I think you’re being hypocritical.

One can be seen as a personal attack. The others are not. If Gunn had made a joke at the expense of a real pedophile victim that would be different. Frankly it also just felt more mean-spirted with Roseanne. I admit their is something of double standard but the context is different in each case and that can lead to a different gut feeling. And I wasn't even behind the anger of her getting the show at first. I didn't really care about her background of being a Trump voter. I felt that whatever her beliefs are she deserved a second chance. She got that second chance and blew it.

Jason

 

[Professor Zoom]

One can be seen as a personal attack. The others are not. If Gunn had made a joke at the expense of a real pedophile victim that would be different. Frankly it also just felt more mean-spirted with Roseanne. I admit their is something of double standard but the context is different in each case and that can lead to a different gut feeling. And I wasn't even behind the anger of her getting the show at first. I didn't really care about her background of being a Trump voter. I felt that whatever her beliefs are she deserved a second chance. She got that second chance and blew it.

Jason

It is a double standard. And it sort of flies in the face of your own outrage: “But Gunn was doing it on his own time, it should be separate! They shouldn’t be allowed to fire him!”

 

[Jayson1]

It is a double standard. And it sort of flies in the face of your own outrage: “But Gunn was doing it on his own time, it should be separate! They shouldn’t be allowed to fire him!”

How does anyone not have a double standard or should say different standard, if you don't have identical crimes so to speak? Is it a double standard that cops punish a murderer more than someone running a red light? Them doing it on their own time and both being jokes is were the two stories diverge. The people are different the context is different, when the so-called crime happened is different. Why the story was exposed is different. The things that are different outnumber the few things they have in common.

Jason

 

[Kor]

I'm a firm beliver of calling a spade a spade, regardless if its Red or Blue.. If he done wrong in Disney's eyes and a they wanted to fire him, its there right, he can sue for broken contract or the like if he feels like it was wrongfull, up to him.
Personal story time:
Former boss, went to a company event, this was a public event in a public setting, not like an office party at the office type. He drank to much, he behaved the ass, next week the company let him go. Were they right to fire him? Maybe. Could they have just suspended him? Yes, but it was there call, and he was an upper rung person that was kind of a "Face" of the company in that he interacted with the public alot, so him being the ass in public doens't reflect kindly on the bussiness, so.. zoooop.. gone.
I just want things to be fair, people given a chance to explain, appologize, then see if they can work it thru. Its up to each person and bussiness, we here in the peanut gallery have no say, and we definatly don't have all the facts.

And then are times when favored "can-do-no-wrong" senior managers get absolutely sloshed and act like total buffoons at a company dinner at the most posh luxury restaurant in town, right in front of a group of important, high-profile clients, and the owners don't care one little bit.

Kor

 

[Professor Zoom]

How does anyone not have a double standard or should say different standard, if you don't have identical crimes so to speak? Is it a double standard that cops punish a murderer more than someone running a red light? Them doing it on their own time and both being jokes is were the two stories diverge. The people are different the context is different, when the so-called crime happened is different. Why the story was exposed is different. The things that are different outnumber the few things they have in common.

Jason

The “crime” is the same. Posting shit on Twitter during personal time.

 

[Noname Given]

This situation is hilarious because of the politics involved.

Because it was Republicans that exposed James Gunn (who was a loud and infamous Anti-Trump advocate on Twitter), many Liberals are upset with Disney for firing him.

Haha.

The MCU will be fine without Gunn. Taika is way funnier and more talented anyway.

Disney made the right call, because the bad press would have been bad for the brand.

Huh? I'm a Liberal (and a Democrat) and while I say again, I liked the job he did on the GotG franchise to date, no, I'm not upset and completely understand WHY Disney decided to take the action they did.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Bobcat Goldthwait:
I love James Gunn. He’s a loyal friend, super talented, passionate and kind. I wanted to say something, here it is: Dear Disney, I would hate for you to come off as hypocritical, so I’m suggesting that you remove my voice from an attraction that’s coming to your park. It’s called WORLD OF COLOR – VILLAINOUS, and I reprise the tole of Pain, a role I played in Hercules.

You see here’s the deal. Years ago I made a lot of sarcastically shocking and offensive jokes. Many that I’m embarrassed about now, and I’d hate to make you guys look bad seeing that I’m openly critical of the president and his administration, and you seem to be taking your lead from some of his radical fringe supporters.

 

[Noname Given]

And then are times when favored "can-do-no-wrong" senior managers get absolutely sloshed and act like total buffoons at a company dinner at the most posh luxury restaurant in town, right in front of a group of important, high-profile clients, and the owners don't care one little bit.

Kor

And sometimes, after the party, they DO get fired. Depends on the Company involved.

 

[Ovation]

Is the firing legitimate? Yes. Disney is not required to keep an employee who would represent disgrace by association. They are not required to fire such a person either. It is their choice to make.
Should he suffer total career collapse? Not if what has been reported in numerous outlets is true--he has apologized, he has not continued the aberrant behaviour and he accepts responsibility for his earlier actions. He did nothing illegal (if poor taste is ever outlawed, even the American prison system will never keep up with demand), so he hardly deserves eternal punishment. However, he has now learned the lesson that freedom of expression is not freedom from consequence. One hopes he doesn't forget it anytime soon. Also, it is a good reminder to any and all who post on social media platforms--unlike having some buddies over for a few beers and being obnoxiously offensive in the moment (in private), social media is as public as it gets. Alas, far too few will learn from this example.