I still wonder why they ignored his public twitter activity on their initial investigations and research of Gunn when they hired him in the first place.
Kor
Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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I still wonder why they ignored his public twitter activity on their initial investigations and research of Gunn when they hired him in the first place.
Kor
So did you protest him 6 years ago and want him fired then? Did you like his movies knowing he made these tweets? Wasn't it stupid for everyone not to call him to be fired back then and since that didn't happen does everyone also deserve to be fired? Hope nobody kept their ticket stubs. Also if humor is a form of artistic expression that fully represents a person then why not the other arts? Does everyone who liked Darth Vadar approve of murder and torture and basically being the Space Hitler of that universes, second in command. Was Rolling Stones showing support to Devil Worship because of "Sympathy for the Devil?" To me most of this stuff is subjective depending on individual tastes and different personalities. One person's edgy comedian is another person's racist jerk. To some George Carlin is a God and to others he is asshole who represents a terrible pass and the twist is both views can come from people who share almost identical views on life and politics such as both people being liberals.
I don't understand why more people don't see this stuff like I do. Their is PC in real life and PC in Art. In real life it represents civility and good manners and basically treating people kindly. In art though it borders on censorship and conformity which are things that Liberals are usually against.
Jason
I didn't know about the tweets. Sorry. It doesn't change the fact that he made them.
So does this mean now that you know that it means your not going to see anymore Marvel movies? I mean if he is punished for a mistake he made 6 years ago doesn't it mean they have to be punished for hiring him, 6 years ago? We can't say we don't know now because the cat is out of the bag.
Jason
There seems to be a misunderstanding of the 1st amendment..
You have the right to say, whatever you want, no matter what it is, and I will defend your right to say whatever you want, whatever it is.
However. Freedom of speech isn't Freedom from consequences. Everything you say or do has consequences. insults somebody's mother, you have the right to say it, but you may get a fist in the face for saying it.
Most businesses don't want trouble, not just "Mega Corporations" If I go out on a racist or LGBTQIA+ rant on the facebook, I have the right to say it, and my job has the right to fire my ass because they don't want me around anymore. Life is consequences for your actions, Im sure that Disney knew of the twits, but in todays "Me too, Hyper partisan" world, they can't take the chance that there bottom line will be hurt.
You have the right to say, whatever you want, no matter what it is, and I will defend your right to say whatever you want, whatever it is.
However. Freedom of speech isn't Freedom from consequences. Everything you say or do has consequences. insults somebody's mother, you have the right to say it, but you may get a fist in the face for saying it.
Most businesses don't want trouble, not just "Mega Corporations" If I go out on a racist or LGBTQIA+ rant on the facebook, I have the right to say it, and my job has the right to fire my ass because they don't want me around anymore. Life is consequences for your actions, Im sure that Disney knew of the twits, but in todays "Me too, Hyper partisan" world, they can't take the chance that there bottom line will be hurt.
Uncle Remus is a pretty gross stereotype.
I think most people know that you can face consequenes. I think the big issue is whether or not firing someone is a appopriate consequence. Does the penalty surpass the crime. For me since we don't even have a real crime and your dealing with something subjective like humor and done outside of work I find it to be unfair. I am not sure what consequences he does deserve though or if I am even entitled to them because I don't know the guy or work with or for him. I'm a complete stranger to him. Perhaps the loss of respect from friends who don't like that humor is enough. A apology seems like a good thing for those who are offended. Making it very aware that this is his or was his humor and that it doesn't reflect the views by people working at Marvel or Disney. Basically own up to it and try and deflect any bad feelings that might come to others you work with that had nothing to do with it.
Jason
I wish. My wife likes the films, and as long as she is still interested, I'll be right there with her. I wouldn't shed a tear if they quit making them tomorrow.
Well, no. I never said I would've punished him, I don't know what I would've done in that position. But, Disney has a duty to protect their shareholders from anything that affects profitability.
Who are we to decide if the penalty is appropriate or not? We have no idea what was going on inside Disney and with James Gunn. For all we know, there is more to this story than just six-year old tweets.
I have no evidence that there is, but I've been wondering that.
What, to you, would be appropriate consequences?
Should a company be forced to continue to employee someone whose values contradict its own?
If those tweets had been racist, would you still maintain Disney should keep him?
I agree. We shouldn't decide what is right but neither should Disney if this is all their is to it. It is possible their is more to the story which means maybe we shouldn't be forming opinions yet in which case we have all botched up by not letting the story fully come out. Granted if more was coming out though I would think it would lead to a suspension so you can look deeper into his past. Not instant dismissal. Not sure why their is rush to do these things anyway. It actually takes time to get all the needed facts and combine that with how I feel like firing anyone, even when they deserve it should actually be a hard thing to do which requires many hoops to go through to get it done. This is where Unions are needed in all these situations. Protecting everyone is what helps give them leverage over the corporations. I'm more worried about that than 6 year old tweets by one single human. God I can't believe I now feel like we are very close to talking about Hilary Clinton's emails again. Another past mistake that was seen as evil or forgivable depending on who you asked.
Jason
So who should decide Disney's business interests? Who should decide who Disney hires and fires?
Me.
I full support taking people like Gunn who make these remarks out of their jobs when they cross these lines. But I don't think that GotG3 would suffer much at all if he hadn't been removed.
Johnny Depp is a domestic abuser, there's a backlash against him online, people loath him being in the Fantastic Beasts movies. He actually laid hands on somebody instead of joking. He still got to share a stage with the person he beat at SDCC over the weekend, the crowd cheered and the movie will likely make ridiculous amounts of money.
GotG3 would have made $1Bn+ with him there or not, infact removing him would maybe have it make less with people not being as interested.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/...ion-guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-1202880848/
168k signatures. Now tehse fans need to stick to their Gunns and boycott all Disney products until Gunn is rehired.
Reading the comments, seems the conspiracy is that he got fired for posting hateful things about President Trump.
168k signatures. Now tehse fans need to stick to their Gunns and boycott all Disney products until Gunn is rehired.
Reading the comments, seems the conspiracy is that he got fired for posting hateful things about President Trump.
I think a apology was good enough. I also think a lost of respect is also a good thing. If they were racists I guess the context would matter. Would they be jokes that someone like Donald Trump would make it or would it be satire making fun of racism? The idea of anything can be funny might be true but not everything is funny if it's in the wrong context. How a joke is constructed actually matters more than the content of the joke. There is reason why "Song of the South" is racist yet "Blazing Saddles" isn't. Big difference is some racist jokes are suppose to be seen as "truths" were others your pointing out how bad racism is or how exagerated these views are. Sometimes you also have the element of shock humor as well. A kind of "Look how edgy I am. I play by my own rules" concept.
Jason
To say that that's a bad example would be an understatement. Being criminally assaulted is not a legal consequence of exercising one's right of free speech under any circumstances. Whether provocation would be a mitigating factor would be a matter to be decided either in court or by the prosecutor. Fighting words aren't protected speech anyway in the US. That example simply has very little going for it on any front that is relevant to the topic of acceptable consequences to exercising Constitutional rights.
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