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Casting Pike's Number One

That might be overstating it a TON.

You're the one who's saying that proceeding in a manner consistent with the writer and actor who originated the role, and another writer who developed a lot of the foundational lore of Star Trek, is "somehow assuming Number One is an alien or something like" without any basis. The authors who came up with the "Number One actually is her name" idea didn't pull the idea out of thin air, it was the original intent by the people who were creating the show, and it's far more likely that if the first pilot had gone to series, we would've seen a backstory more like that than simply having Number One called "Eureka Robbins" in passing in the middle of season two once the writers got bored with the "we never hear her name" gimmick. You know how I know that? Because the people who came up with the idea are the ones who were making the episodes.

It wasn't sad, bored Trekkies who can't abide something simple who made up this lore. The real fanwank is, in fact, the people who take the completely obvious interpretation that "Number One" is just a nickname for the first officer, and decide she has a boring, generic name to go with a boring, generic backstory, because God forbid there be anything interesting happening in Star Trek that wasn't placed right in front of our noses. Or, worse, that she's Christine Chapel's older sister. You want to talk about the worst instincts of fans when it comes to patching over the continuity, that's what you should be worried about.

Look at it this way: McCoy is divorced and has an estranged daughter. That was never on-screen (until ST09 for the first part), but it was backstory developed by the writers of the show in the '60s that was carried over in a ton of novels, comics, games, and so on. I don't think you'd be writing off any references to that as just being drama-obsessed fangirls who wanted to give Bones a dark, romantic, angsty backstory for their fanfics, right? Some wild extrapolation because fans just can't accept that a guy would just decide to be a space-doctor without any extrinsic motivation (ignoring any evidence to the contrary, like the fact that Bones clearly hates space and everything in it, just like you're all writing off Pike forgetting Number One's gender, which is an extremely odd thing to do to your immediate subordinate no matter how professional she is, unless there's something unrevealed going on). Hell, if Spock hadn't gone to the series, would you be arguing his first name is probably just "Benjamin" since we don't know for sure that he's an alien? Isn't it a bridge too far to assume that a regular guy who just has some funky ears doesn't have a first name? Everybody has a first name. It's not like he's Cher or something.
 
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The authors who came up with the "Number One actually is her name" idea didn't pull the idea out of thin air, it was the original intent by the people who were creating the show

And we should care about "original intent" that was never actually written or aired...why, exactly?

McCoy is divorced and has an estranged daughter. That was never on-screen (until ST09 for the first part), but it was backstory developed by the writers of the show in the '60s that was carried over in a ton of novels, comics, games, and so on. I don't think you'd be writing off any references to that as just being drama-obsessed fangirls who wanted to give Bones a dark, romantic, angsty backstory for their fanfics, right?

Probably not.

But the main difference is: McCoy's story makes sense. This doesn't.

Look, I'm not against giving characters a complicated history. Only when it flies in the face of what everyone already knows to be true. I hate to keep harping on this, but everybody knows what "Number One" means. It's an already-established nickname. You can't ignore that.

if Spock hadn't gone to the series, would you be arguing his first name is probably just "Benjamin" since we don't know for sure that he's an alien?

No, since it was obvious from day one that Spock was an alien.
 
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Your commitment to taking a stand against Dorthy Fontana, Majel Barrett, and Gene Roddenberry about Number One's backstory is commendable, but, I have to say, probably misguided.
What backstory? She has none. Whatever Roddenberry intended doesn't matter because it never made it into an episode.

Her name being Number One or whatever is stupid anyway, it's obviously a nickname because she's the first officer, the end.
Her name being unknown is also stupid because it makes no sense, I doubt you can become a starfleet officer without an identity. Does her service record call her "Number One"?
 
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The authors who came up with the "Number One actually is her name" idea didn't pull the idea out of thin air, it was the original intent by the people who were creating the show, and it's far more likely that if the first pilot had gone to series, we would've seen a backstory more like that than simply having Number One called "Eureka Robbins" in passing in the middle of season two once the writers got bored with the "we never hear her name" gimmick. You know how I know that? Because the people who came up with the idea are the ones who were making the episodes.
That's incorrect. Original intent was not that her name be "Number One." Original intent was that she be referred to only as "Number One." There's actually a difference between the two. See for example Columbo, whose first name was never spoken aloud, the name "Frank" having been established only on the character's ID, assuming it could be made out on TVs of the 1970s.

You know how I know that? From The Making of Star Trek, page 29:

The Executive Officer. Never referred to as anything but "Number One", this officer is female. Almost mysteriously female, in fact—slim and dark in a Nile Valley way, age uncertain, one of those women who will always look the same between years twenty and fifty. An extraordinarily efficient space officer, "Number One" enjoys playing it expressionless, cool—is probably Robert April's superior in detailed knowledge of the equipment, departments, and personnel aboard the vessel. When Captain April leaves the craft, "Number One" moves up to Acting Commander.​

Nowhere does it say that her name is in fact just "Number One."
 
I find this back and forth about her name unimportant. What intrigues me about the character is her personality. I like her stoic, intelligent demeanor. If they make her some run of the mill Starfleet officer I will be sorely disappointed. I want them to get the character right--as she was intended. Personally, I would love a more interesting backstory for her rather than her having a typical life. Something that would explain why she is the way she is. I love DC Fontana's backstory for her and hope they use that as their inspiration.
 
I find this back and forth about her name unimportant. What intrigues me about the character is her personality. I like her stoic, intelligent demeanor. If they make her some run of the mill Starfleet officer I will be sorely disappointed. I want them to get the character right--as she was intended. Personally, I would love a more interesting backstory for her rather than her having a typical life. Something that would explain why she is the way she is. I love DC Fontana's backstory for her and hope they use that as their inspiration.
Perhaps she was adopted by Vulcans...
 
It was? I've never heard that before; what's the source? I liked Urban's performance overall, but that line was one of the (many) parts of that film that just made me wince, for exactly the reasons @Longinus describes.

According to Memory-Alpha, the source is Abrams on the audio commentary.

https://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Leonard_McCoy_(alternate_reality)#Background_information

In the audio commentary for the film Star Trek, J.J. Abrams stated that the "Bones" line was not actually in the script, but was an on-set improvisation by Urban
 
But if the person is a doctor, then that surely is the reason! This is like explaining that a Captain that is referred as 'skipper' is called such because she used to skip classes back in the academy. It is just painfully embarrassing demonstration that the person who wrote that is not familiar with the etymology of the word.
If the audience is familiar with USA civil war history they might get it, for the rest of us, well I had no idea where the name came from, so the ST09 reason is as good as any. I think the reboot reason works better since its intended audience is global, unlike the TOS audience in the 1960's
 
There's literally no reason that the character McCoy—from Georgia by the way—couldn't have jested about having nothing left but his bones with full knowledge of the nickname for doctors, as a double entendre, meaning that he nothing left but his prospects as a doctor.
However by 2258 the gap between then and the end of the US civil war (1861-1865) will be larger than the gap between now and the English civil war (1642-1651) and I doubt the average English person now, refers to it in everyday speech. I would say they never do.
 
The term "sawbones" was familiar to American audiences in the 1960s because the Hollywood Western had been a dominant movie genre since the days of the silents and television westerns were popular on TV from its earliest days right through the 60s.

All of that is fifty years past, now, and largely forgotten by generations that have their own, different versions of escapist, thoughtless fantasy mass entertainment.

However by 2258 the gap between then and the end of the US civil war (1861-1865) will be larger than the gap between now and the English civil war (1642-1651) and I doubt the average English person now, refers to it in everyday speech. I would say they never do.

No one has any idea what the world will be like three centuries from now and it has nothing to do with Star Trek.
 
However by 2258 the gap between then and the end of the US civil war (1861-1865) will be larger than the gap between now and the English civil war (1642-1651) and I doubt the average English person now, refers to it in everyday speech. I would say they never do.
But McCoy went to medical school. If universities in the future are like they are now, he probably studied some history too. It's not implausible that he would be aware of historical terms for his profession that have relevance to the history of where he was from, however many centuries before it happened. In TOS, McCoy seemed proud of being from Georgia, and he also knew that, hundreds of years before his time, people were sewn like garments. :shrug:
 
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