Still No DSC Casting Announcement for New Captain?

[Kane_Steel]

I think it was always implied she'd be captain at some point. I don't think it was actual lie. I never once assumed she wouldn't be.

The musical chairs with captains is why I think she'll officially get it by the end of the season. They can't keep doing that. I know some people want Saru as Captain but look at Saru's actual screen time. It's not the highest in the cast even though he's a main character. All that make up will take its toll on Doug Jones. He's likely not going to want to up the hours he's in it and they're likely not going to be willing to do that either, no matter how much some people want an alien captain. There are many logistical reasons why it's not reasonable on a regular basis.

They're not going to skip the lead actor for the position and want to deal with the blow back that would come from doing that. First lead black female but she's going to be stuck with the commander rank the entire series!? There is already an issue with them starting off the two black leads in Trek as commanders instead of captains like all the other leads. Don't think that isn't noticed by people either. Yeah it's fire they're playing with here if they do this wrong.

I'll be laughing if Kirk got command of the Discovery for S3. It might actually be fun if they can get the right charismatic actor to pull it off. By that point, he'd be about 5 years away from his Enterprise command.

They should probably hold off 'Captain Burnham' till the end.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'll be laughing if Kirk got command of the Discovery for S3. It might actually be fun if they can get the right charismatic actor to pull it off. By that point, he'd be about 5 years away from his Enterprise command.

They should probably hold off 'Captain Burnham' till the end.

He’s still a LT at this point

 

[Jadeb]

I'm as over the TNG-style "honor and glory" Klingons as anyone, but I came to like Discovery's version even less. I didn't find them sympathetic or particularly interesting, and I certainly didn't find them complex.

I kinda wish they'd give the Klingons a long rest.

 

[Lord Garth]

My bet is that after Pike departs (by the end of the season at the latest) Burnham will be the captain.

I kind of think you might be right. "Kind of?," some might ask? It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility but the writers might also want to put a few more obstacles in front of her first. She literally just had her rank restored and one season doesn't mean one year. Could be more or less. If it's less, then it feels fast.

Before someone brings up NuKirk: I think his leap-frogging was fast too. But they clearly wanted Kirk to be Captain by the end of the first film. With Burnham, they have an entire series to build up to it.

 

[fireproof78]

I very much disagree with this. TNG and DS9 made it clear as time went on that the Klingon interpretation of "honor" was pretty multilayered. Klingons could talk a good talk about being honorable warriors, but in truth they cared much more about public appearance than having any sort of coherent code of conduct. This is why Worf had so many issues as a character. He was mostly raised by humans, meaning he took Klingon culture both literally and seriously, whereas anyone raised Klingon would know that while cultural norms should be followed, there were unspoken ways in which the letter of the law could be ignored.

It unfortunately became very much one note. The only one who became sympathetic was Worf, and that was largely due to the fact that he basically existed on the outside of the Klingon society. Other Klingon characters were less engaging, less sympathetic, and I struggled to keep invested.

Obviously, mileage will vary, but Klingons lack any depth for me, outside of how they related to Worf. And Worf never engaged me as a character.

 

[Kane_Steel]

He’s still a LT at this point

He was a LT in 2257, during the Farragut Incident.

He could be a Commander by 2259 next season, if they wanted Kirk.

Casting a late 20s James Kirk would be challenging though, but I think someone like Taron Egerton from Kingsman could pull it off.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Does he do American?

 

[CorporalClegg]

if they could somehow get Robbie Amell cousin Steve's hair...

 

[ITDUDE]

He’s still a LT at this point

Didn't he jump from Ensign to Captain in about two days time in ST09. LT to Captain is much more feasible. Is it in canon (there is that word again) that Enterprise was his first command?

 

[ITDUDE]

He was a LT in 2257, during the Farragut Incident.

He could be a Commander by 2259 next season, if they wanted Kirk.

Casting a late 20s James Kirk would be challenging though, but I think someone like Taron Egerton from Kingsman could pull it off.

Not the worst call in the world. We got 3 Pikes, 3 Sareks, only 2 Kirks, 2 Spocks, one-to-many Burnhams. What da heck, let's go for one more of each (except Burnham, just kill her off already)

 

[Nerys Myk]

Didn't he jump from Ensign to Captain in about two days time in ST09. LT to Captain is much more feasible. Is it in canon (there is that word again) that Enterprise was his first command?

LT to Captain, actually.

 

[ITDUDE]

LT to Captain, actually.

He wasn't even an ensign, he was still a cadet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He wasn't even an ensign, he was still a cadet.

LT according a graphic.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Perhaps, but the timeline is already being tweaked here.

Making him the S2 Discovery Captain makes Number One the Captain of the Enterprise for around a year... yet history never recognized her as an Enterprise Captain.

Obviously the STD-verse is gonna change certain things up.

For all we know, the events of season two take place over a week. Season one skipped 6 months and then 9 months. The days of one season = one year (up yours, relativity) is long gone.

 

[eschaton]

It unfortunately became very much one note. The only one who became sympathetic was Worf, and that was largely due to the fact that he basically existed on the outside of the Klingon society. Other Klingon characters were less engaging, less sympathetic, and I struggled to keep invested.

Martok did nothing for you? IMHO he was probably the best example in the Trek canon of a character who was both "classically Klingon" yet was also sympathetic.

Obviously, mileage will vary, but Klingons lack any depth for me, outside of how they related to Worf. And Worf never engaged me as a character.

I dunno. Look at a DS9 episode like Soldiers of the Empire. A big subplot of the episode is that big, tough warrior Martok is too proud to initially admit he's suffering from post-traumatic stress from being imprisoned by the Dominion. The crew of the Rotarran are looked at as being total losers by the other Klingons. Each of them, while only developed a bit beyond the level of extra, has their own personality, from Koman's superstition and depression to Leskit's drunken bad attitude. It's hard for me to watch an episode like that and see how anyone could say the Klingons lacked depth.

 

[Lord Garth]

For all we know, the events of season two take place over a week. Season one skipped 6 months and then 9 months. The days of one season = one year (up yours, relativity) is long gone.

I don't know if Pike's command will last the entire season but, if it does, I bet the entire time-span of the season is only the length of the time he needs the Spore Drive to find Spock plus whatever happens when they do, plus the aftermath.

So, yeah, I'm definitely not seeing the season taking place over the span of a year. The first season was 18-ish months but I think the second season will cover much, much less time.

 

[fireproof78]

I dunno. Look at a DS9 episode like Soldiers of the Empire. A big subplot of the episode is that big, tough warrior Martok is too proud to initially admit he's suffering from post-traumatic stress from being imprisoned by the Dominion. The crew of the Rotarran are looked at as being total losers by the other Klingons. Each of them, while only developed a bit beyond the level of extra, has their own personality, from Koman's superstition and depression to Leskit's drunken bad attitude. It's hard for me to watch an episode like that and see how anyone could say the Klingons lacked depth.

If you noted I said in relationship to Worf. And Worf was in that episode. I can appreciate some of the individual episodes, but as a culture as whole? No thank you.

 

[Timo]

Giving the Enterprise fifteen previously unmentioned captains is not a problem - we never got a list of "all people who commanded the Enterprise" on screen. We only know April was the first, and then we saw a bunch of guys who also did it before the ship was lost.

Getting Pike back to the ship for the handover ceremony is the real trick. Why is this good-looking, assertive man who apparently gets to do heroic things on dozens of episodes stuck with one rotten starship for eleven years (even if with some time off in between)? Does he screw up at some point? Is the Enterprise a ship for losers and misfits, or for mavericks doomed to repeat their mistakes until their careers stall for good?

Or is Pike Starfleet's go-to man when a ship that has lost her way needs a firm guiding hand for a moment? Perhaps Pike troubleshoots and then hands over...

In any case, don't we now have contract news about a full season of Pike, most probably meaning a full season of Captain Pike of the Discovery?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Visitor1982]

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https://trekmovie.com/2018/07/22/ex...-many-episodes-hes-in-of-star-trek-discovery/

Indeed. He will be in all 13 episodes from season 2.

 

[Timo]

Of course, with a two-ship setup we can never be absolutely certain about his exact role. And they did build a few sets for That Other Ship that might be revisited across the season. But I'm not a great fan of split action, and if DSC needs something for its second season, it's focus...

Timo Saloniemi