HBO orders Joss Whedon ‘The Nevers’ to series

[Campe]

Unfortunately, someone has let the man into a workplace full of women again.

While that's a fair comment considering his history, I was speaking more to the focusing on one user's issue with sex on film over the past five pages. Fives is entitled to his opinion as much as I disagree with it and believe it might be misguided. But this is a discussion about Whedon's new series. Not that.

 

[Kemaiku]

While that's a fair comment considering his history, I was speaking more to the focusing on one user's issue with sex on film over the past five pages. Fives is entitled to his opinion as much as I disagree with it and believe it might be misguided. But this is a discussion about Whedon's new series. Not that.

I know. I just have a hard time returning to the original subject with any enthusiasm either.

 

[Campe]

I know. I just have a hard time returning to the original subject with any enthusiasm either.

Fair enough.

 

[Spot261]

Any sex shown explicitly on screen. If you can see the people's naughty bits, its creepy. Now, Sense8 by a lot of accounts goes particularly extreme, but my baseline for a movie being creepy is if I can see any nudity, and a creepy sex scene is any one done outside of a PG-13 style I guess.

I think you'll find the majority disagreeing with you here, in fact I haven't got any "naughty bits", because happily sex between consenting adults isn't by most people's standards "naughty".

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Any show that you can't understand without the sex is literally a porn.

That's a weird definition of porn.

Incidentally, many of these XXX parodies out there have so-called "party edits" with all the sex cut out. So, there actually is porn without sex scenes out there.

Nope. Outside of showing barts junk for no reason in the movie (which was creepy, but in a different way then standard nudity obviously) The Simpsons at worst maybe showed Homer's butt a few times.

And Moe's butt. And Bart's butt. And Martin Prince's butt. And Burns' butt. And Barney's butt. And I think there was an episode where Marge's butt was on-screen, as well. That's a lot of nudity.

That's nudity, but not sexual.

Oh, there is non-sexual nudity, is there?! So, why is the nudity on The Simpsons non-sexual?

 

[kirk55555]

I think you'll find the majority disagreeing with you here, in fact I haven't got any "naughty bits", because happily sex between consenting adults isn't by most people's standards "naughty".

I don't want to keep derailing this thread, but come on. There is no need to be pedantic about the phrase I was using, especially since I needed a phrase that encompassed genitals and breasts without having to type them out as separate things. "Naughty bits" is a fairly obvious phrase to use (and one I agree with), but regardless it was mostly used for brevity's sake.

 

[Spot261]

I don't want to keep derailing this thread, but come on. There is no need to be pedantic about the phrase I was using, especially since I needed a phrase that encompassed genitals and breasts without having to type them out as separate things. "Naughty bits" is a fairly obvious phrase to use (and one I agree with), but regardless it was mostly used for brevity's sake.

It's a bit late for brevity when you've so deeply offended someone with an amazing display of ignorance without seemingly understanding why they'd be so outraged.

 

[kirk55555]

It's a bit late for brevity when you've so deeply offended someone with an amazing display of ignorance without seemingly understanding why they'd be so outraged.

If someone is offended that I pulled a random show off the top of my head to use as an example of a show with explicit sexual content, there isn't much I can do about that.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Anytime I come across the phrase "naughty bits", I can't help but think of Monty Python.

 

[Spot261]

If someone is offended that I pulled a random show off the top of my head to use as an example of a show with explicit sexual content, there isn't much I can do about that.

Yes there is.

Actually know your subject matter rather than simply "pulling a random show off the top of your head" with no reference tot he actual content or, more importantly, the social and cultural importance associated with it.

 

[kirk55555]

Yes there is.

Actually know your subject matter rather than simply "pulling a random show off the top of your head" with no reference tot he actual content or, more importantly, the social and cultural importance associated with it.

Listen, it has explicit sexual content. That was literally the only thing relevant to using it as an example. I mean, saying its of "social and cultural importance" is a bit hyperbolic (it certainly didn't go well enough to not get cancelled, even if Netflix did eventually pony up money for an official ending). But, I will admit I only think of it in the context of being an especially explicit show, not in the context of a LGBTQ+ perspective. I wasn't aware the show had much to do with that, or I would have used a show that doesn't have any entanglements and wouldn't have been confusing, like, I don't know, Spartacus or something. That doesn't mean that Sense8 isn't a good example of a sexually explicit show, but I never meant for anything but the explicit stuff to be used in the conversation.

 

[Spot261]

I mean, saying its of "social and cultural importance" is a bit hyperbolic

No, it isn't really, the whole point is it was of such importance to a minority group for whom it represented possibly the only positive, realistic and non judgemental portrayal they've ever had on screen.

Nomi is shown as a transgender woman, played by a transgender woman, who is intelligent, resourceful, sexy and capable, a fundamentally decent person with a loving relationship.

That's never happened before, transgender people have been shown as ugly, offensive, predatory, the butt of cruel jokes and the punchline to even crueller ones. How do you imagine it feels to literally have one portrayal of yourself on TV which isn't derogatory in some fashion, only to have that reduced to being called "borderline porn" or "creepy shit" ?

 

[kirk55555]

I'm done derailing this thread. I never implied any of that, and I don't particularly care about the show. Sense8 has explicit content, so it worked as an example of a non-HBO show with explicit content similar to HBO's stuff. I would have picked a different example if I'd known it was such a big deal, it just came to my head first. I easily could have said several other shows, that just happened to be the one that floated to the top of my brain.

 

[Spot261]

I'm done derailing this thread. I never implied any of that, and I don't particularly care about the show. Sense8 has explicit content, so it worked as an example of a non-HBO show with explicit content similar to HBO's stuff. I would have picked a different example if I'd known it was such a big deal, it just came to my head first. I easily could have said several other shows, that just happened to be the one that floated to the top of my brain.

So next time know your subject matter first, it's not much to ask.

 

[kirk55555]

So next time know your subject matter first, it's not much to ask.

I'm not going to do in depth research every time I want to reference a show I haven't watched. I wasn't planning to discuss it, it was an offhand reference, and it fits what I was trying to say perfectly, it just had extra baggage that I didn't anticipate, but nothing that would make me research every little thing whenever I mention a show.

 

[Spot261]

I'm not going to do in depth research every time I want to reference a show I haven't watched.

Don't reference a show you haven't watched, that's the point! That's what referencing is, making an informed comparison and comment.

That's why you've blundered into this particular minefield and garnered the reaction you got.

 

[kirk55555]

Don't reference a show you haven't watched, that's the point! That's what referencing is, making an informed comparison and comment.

That's why you've blundered into this particular minefield and garnered the reaction you got.

But the comparison was fine, it is a sexually explicit show. The problem was people misunderstanding that I was just talking about the sex stuff, not the LGBTQ+ elements.

 

[Spot261]

But the comparison was fine, it is a sexually explicit show. The problem was people misunderstanding that I was just talking about the sex stuff, not the LGBTQ+ elements.

The comparison wasn't fine at all, and you still have no idea why it wasn't because you have no idea about the show you are talking about!

 

[Kemaiku]

26 hours of the show, about 10 minutes of sex, all of it in context to the overall narrative or episode specifically. 0.6% of the runtime, all of it relevant. And the majority of it, the only primetime representation LGBTQ people have in nearly a century of programs.

Is that context enough?

 

[Spot261]

26 hours of the show, about 10 minutes of sex, all of it in context to the overall narrative or episode specifically. 0.6% of the runtime, all of it relevant. And the majority of it, the only primetime representation LGBTQ people have in nearly a century of programs.

Is that context enough?

I liked Riley's hair.