HBO orders Joss Whedon ‘The Nevers’ to series

[JD]

For me, the stuff with GoT that got on my nerves was the scenes where they would be having a fairly deep conversation, and there'd be random naked women making out or fondling each other in the background. There would be nothing sexual about the conversation, and there was no significance to who the women were. To me it just felt unnecessary, and like it was there just because it could be. I guess for me, it's more the context of it, than the amount.
Westworld and True Blood never really bothered me since most of their sex and nudity usually made sense and felt appropriate to the situations.

 

[gblews]

Thing is it wasn't even the first show that was like that with HBO. I would give credit to "The Larry Sanders Show" and "OZ" for being just as edgy and while they were popular they weren't seen as being what "Sopranos" was.

For the record, being "edgy" was only a small part of what The Sopranos was about and what made it unique and groundbreaking. It was the first show of it's genre ("mob" show) that didn't focus on crime, the police, and/or punishment. The Sopranos was the first show of it's kind to focus almost completely on the lives of the gangsters and their families and private lives. It was the first one hour drama to make the "bad guys" the main protagonists.

And it did all this in a way that raised the mob show drama to high art. What was lucky was that the HBO execs had the vision to buy the show because that network allowed the Sopranos to become all it could be.

 

[Jayson1]

For the record, being "edgy" was only a small part of what The Sopranos was about and what made it unique and groundbreaking. It was the first show of it's genre ("mob" show) that didn't focus on crime, the police, and/or punishment. The Sopranos was the first show of it's kind to focus almost completely on the lives of the gangsters and their families and private lives. It was the first one hour drama to make the "bad guys" the main protagonists.

And it did all this in a way that raised the mob show drama to high art. What was lucky was that the HBO execs had the vision to buy the show because that network allowed the Sopranos to become all it could be.

I agree. Of course when I think of edgy or gritty I myself don't see it just as something being gory or violent or showing nudity or cussing though those things often come with the package. I see it more as a show that is telling a story in any way that could never be done on network tv and that includes a shows basic premise. Network tv has to often revolved on cop,doctor or lawyer shows and they really don't explore difference facets of civiliation. Not enough diversity in either people or show concepts. The other being a show were the characters can not just be flawed but flawed to a point were if someone tried it on network tv they would be shut down for the characters not being "likeable." Then you got story and character arc's and basically better production values. Everthing isn't filmed on a sound stage or a one city block location that you redress every week to look like a different place. Perhaps when we say edgy we should say "sophisiticated" instead or "more complex."

Jason

 

[gblews]

I agree.

All that needed to be said.

 

[OCD Geek]

Damn it. Just when I think I want nothing to do with Joss Whedon's HBO series, he goes and casts Olivia Williams and Nick Frost in it. *shakes fist*

 

[JD]

That's a hell of a cast.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I agree that a lot of HBO shows shove a lot of random nudity in the background just because "We're on HBO so we can". To me it's something mildly annoying but easily forgivable if the writing is otherwise high quality.

 

[JD]

Ummm, nobody said that.